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Post by smacmill on Oct 25, 2014 12:12:01 GMT -5
Yipes! I just saw the same stereograph, again on this website, with the name Bear Walks Lying Down 1869! I think everyone wants Iron Nation as theirs!
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Post by smacmill on Oct 25, 2014 11:24:18 GMT -5
Thanks Dietmar. This is a good reminder for me to take what I find on the internet with a grain of salt. Verify and verify again has to be the mantra. In genealogy there are the challenges of finding names, dates, places. But the other big challenge, at least regarding 19th century ancestors, is to find images of them. That frustrates me as much as anything. I still love the search though.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 24, 2014 18:59:35 GMT -5
So, I'm going to bring up a sensitive subject. The Land Buy Back Program has begun as part of the Cobell Indian Land Trust Settlement. The goal is to voluntarily consolidate highly fractionated reservation lands, returning the lands to the tribes. They are going tribe by tribe and have not come to my tribe yet. My question: is there any consensus feelings amongst Native Americans on this subject? My situation: I do not live in the state where I own fractionated land, and I don't think I'll ever make use of that land personally. BUT my heart strings are hesitant to let go of that vestige of our family's history. Frankly, since I don't live in that region, my tribe won't talk to me to give their opinion. In my tribe's history, as soon as the government ok'd the Indians to sell their land allotments, many of them did because they were so poor at the time. My great grandmother didn't sell and lived on her allotment for the rest of her life, hence the land has been splitting and splitting again over the generations since 1939. Anyone have an opinion on this? I sure could benefit from hearing other voices on this.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 24, 2014 18:33:46 GMT -5
Thank you. I actually have their names: Ashosha (or Smoky), great great grandmother Anna (Dezera/Howard), great grandmother My heart wishes I could go back farther, but it is not likely to be.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 24, 2014 18:26:00 GMT -5
Ha! Five months later, and no responses to my question. I suspect no response IS the answer. It is indeed a weird feeling to know that at least six members of my Sioux ancestral family worked as interpreters and were probably not favorably regarded by others in the tribe. But that is the family history, no getting around it.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 24, 2014 17:42:17 GMT -5
Ok, I just did a little Googling regarding that stereograph: On this website, in folder Old Photos - Yankton, it is called Left Hand circa 1868. At Oyate1.Proboards.com it is called the same thing. On auction site Bidsquare.com it is credited to photographer F.J. Haynes, who specialized in stereoviews, and is called Left Hand. BUT: when I look at the photos of Iron Nation, that person looks pretty similar. gregor - how do you think these discrepancies happen? Now I don't know what to think.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 24, 2014 13:39:18 GMT -5
Oh, I've seen that stereograph several times online with the label of Left Hand 1868, and Yankton Left Hand. The timeline and the look of his age fits him being the uncle Left Hand of my great grandmother who was born in 1857. I'm going to find the websites where I've seen this. First cousin twice removed means first cousin two generations back, in this case, my grandfather's cousin. I got these names in obituaries written by white authors - maybe made up?
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Post by smacmill on Oct 23, 2014 17:19:56 GMT -5
We've found several obituaries of a first cousin twice removed, two of which mention uncles of her Yankton Sioux mother: Long Nose, Brave Face, Left Hand, and Fire Coal. The first three are said to have worked as scouts for Gen. Harney. I found a photo of Left Hand, but have never found anything about the others. Do these name ring a bell with anyone?
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Post by smacmill on Oct 22, 2014 12:21:05 GMT -5
Another tip for newbie searchers. Don't limit your search to "Indian style" names. At least on the plains, in the 19th century many Native American women married trappers, river men, and even cavalry soldiers. In the instance of the first two, they very often were of French descent. So although my Sioux family line is fairly well documented, there are just a handful of ancestors with "Indian style" names listed. It didn't take long in the second half of the 19th century for most of my family to carry Anglicized names. Also, you can see by looking at the early annual Indian Census Rolls that the gov was trying to get the people to convert from the old names to Anglicized names. So keep an open mind when name searching. For example, a man whom my great grand aunt did interpreting work with, had a lovely photo portrait done of him as a boy, "Pretty Rock", but when we see his portrait again as an adult, he is "Felix Brunot". Good luck everyone.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 22, 2014 12:00:06 GMT -5
I am a loyal user of Ancestry.com, but it is only one of many techniques I use to investigate my heritage. It is not that Ancestry.com is inaccurate, it is usually the old census records that are full of name misspellings, and dates of birth that are a little off. So you must get lots of records to get a consensus of what is accurate. I have found an amazing amount of info by just Googling names or topics. Often Google will present a page of a book that Google has digitized, and highlighted in yellow is the name or reference you've searched for. Most states and many large cities have their own genealogy organizations with websites. The Mormon genealogy website, FamilySearch.org is free, and you do not have to register to use it. I've found documents there that I didn't find on Ancestry.com. Regarding DNA, in the DNA world "Native American" means indigenous to North, Central, or South America, the source being the small group of people who originally migrated to North America, either by sea or land bridge from Asia, then over time populated the lands all the way through South America. One plus of doing DNA through Ancestry.com, is that they give you a list of other Ancestry.com members who've also done the test and who are likely related to you, even if very distantly. Then there are websites such as this one. Ladonna on this site has a fantastic well of information. I am a stickler for accuracy. Don't let wishful thinking lead you. Verify. Try to open your mind and think of new angles for your search. Sometimes you have to search on all sides to get at the center of your subject. Thinking about our ancestors and finding their truths will truly honor them.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 18, 2014 16:33:32 GMT -5
Even in the 1920's and 1930's, my mother in South Dakota was threatened that if she didn't behave she'd be sent to the "Marty Mission". Luckily she was never sent there.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 18, 2014 16:28:12 GMT -5
By DNA results, I am way more Anglo than Native American. None the less, it is my mother's South Dakota family roots that intrigue me more than any other of my family lines. It is easy for genealogy researchers like me to look like wannabees in regard to our Native American heritage. The Native American cultures of the 19th century have been way too often romanticized, and it is easy to wish one's heritage includes that. My point here is that on this website I never see anyone put down for the content of their questions, and I really respect that. I hope that this site's experts realize it is a great compliment to Native American history that so many wish to have links to it. Having said that, my words to new researchers is that not everyone can be descended from a chief, especially a famous one. But knowing that your ancestors endured the struggles of the tribes in the 19th century is an honor indeed. Good luck to everyone. Be meticulous in your searching. Again, thanks to those on this site who are so helpful.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 18, 2014 15:53:18 GMT -5
I have used both Ancesty.com and the National Geographic Genographic Project. But you won't get your tribe, just your degree of Native American.
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Post by smacmill on Oct 18, 2014 15:44:30 GMT -5
When my great grandmother accepted her 160 acres of land in 1891, citizenship came along with that deal.
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Post by smacmill on Nov 3, 2013 17:45:59 GMT -5
No response to my query of whether or not the half blood Sioux scouts were referred to as Dog Soldiers. Apparently that was not the case.
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