Many interesting details above.
I have a copy of the original handwritten transcription of Walter Camp's interview with Thunder Bear [1].
It is interesting to compare 2 lists in Thunder Bear's interview.
A. list of lodge owners
B. list of arrested males (rest of the band were women and children according to Thunder Bear)
A.
"Judge Thunder Bear story.
My father bought the woman from a Cheyenne when grass was starting in spring probably about april.
My father gave a horse and Two Face gave a mule in trade [..] [...] Cheyenne for her.
After we bought her, we came south [....] (thro ?) sand hills, and we met a band of Brules on Running Water known as the Corn band under Swift Bear.
There were 6 lodges of us as follows;
Standing Cloud
Red Dog
Two Face
Two Face's mother
Thunder Bear* (my father)
and my mothers lodge* Thunder Bear had two wives and mother was living in a lodge by herself."
B.
"When we got to Fort Laramie, there was a boat crossing about where [...] bridge is now.
[....] soldiers [....] came over with Charlie Gerau as interpreter said: you people should not [...] come here.
You are in a bad fix, and Two Face is in the guard house.
This was about the month of June.
They arrested 7 of us
my father, my two half brothers
Standing Cloud and Red Dog
[.] stepsons of Thunder Bear
Calico (Two Face nephew), Long
Legged Wolf (stepson of Thunder Bear)
Yellow Bear and me."
So this small band consisted of 6 lodges.
Thereof 2 lodges were linked to Two Face (Two Face + Two Face's mother) and 4 lodges linked to Black Foot (aka. Thunder Bear = "old" Thunder Bear).
So it is more appropriate to call this Black Foot's band.
But most often this band is referred to as Two Face's band.
It would be interesting to know how Two Face and Black Foot were related.
Two Face and Black Foot were also together during the summer before (1864).
As interestingly discussed in Emily Levine's book "With My Own Eyes", pages 83-84.
So Two Face and Black Foot seem to had stuck together for some time.
Of those 1+7 arrested, 4 were lodge owners, that is:
Two Face
Black Foot (aka. Thunder Bear)
Standing Cloud
Red Dog
Those 4 arrested who were not lodge owners were:
Calico
Long Legged Wolf
Yellow Bear
Thunder Bear
Young Thunder Bear and Long Legged Wolf lived in their mother's lodge or their father/stepfather's lodge ("old" Thunder Bear, aka. Black Foot)
Regarding Calico, it is interesting to note that there is only a mention of a relation to Two Face (nephew), but there is no mention of a relation to Black Foot in the Thunder Bear interview.
It seems that Calico was just visiting Two Face and so most likely lived in Two Face's lodge or Two Face's mother lodge.
In what lodge Yellow Bear stayed/lived is a question.
It is also a question who this Yellow Bear was, since there were at least 2 persons who had this name.
It is tempting to look at Lone Bull's genealogical tree in Donald Collier's field notes [4] (see below).
Where we can find 3 uncles of roughly the same age, that is Calico and Yellow Bear 1 and Yellow Bear 2.
Calico was a son of Pawnee Killer's sister (unknow name).
Yellow Bear 1 was a son of Pawnee Killer's brother Long Bear.
Yellow Bear 2 was a son of Pawnee Killer's brother Running Enemy.
So it is tempting to assume that Calico and Yellow Bear who were arrested at Fort Laramie in May 1865 were 2 of the 3 above mentioned uncles, all uncles of Pawnee Killer and all grandsons of Calfskin Robe (aka. Wears Young Buffalo Robe).
Taken for granted that Two Face and Black Foot (aka. Thunder Bear) are not another names for Running Enemy and Long Bear (Pawnee Killer's brothers).
It is tempting to assume that Calico and Yellow Bear 1 or Yellow Bear 2 were visiting their nephew Two Face and stayed in Two Face lodge or Two Face's mother lodge.
In order to not rule out something which could be correct, one stretch would be if Thunder Bear was another name for Long Bear. Because Long Bear had a son named Yellow Bear. But there is no backup for that.
According to the Edmond Meany interview which Ephriam transcribed, Calico was born 1842 or 1843, so 22 or 23 years old in 1865.
Here is a link to that:
amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2033/calico?page=1According to information from Ephriam about a Yellow Bear who belonged to Skokpha tiyoshpaye (part of Tapislecha tiyoshpaye), he was born ca. 1844, so he was ca. 21 years old in 1865.
Here is a link to that:
amertribes.proboards.com/thread/341/yellow-bearIt is interesting to note that Bawling Bull is not mentioned as one of those 8 arrested.
See Addison Sheldon's interview with Bawlling Bull in the original post in this thread.
Who said his chief was Two Face.
But in 1865, when Two Face and Black Foot were hanged, Bawling Bull was 26 or 27 years old and would therefore have been one of the males arrested at the ferry.
But he was not, so he seems to have been somewhere else.
In accordance to what Bawling Bull said: "Went up to Ft. Laramie when Two Face was hung."
So the rest of/majority of Two Face's relations was somewhere else, it seems in the south, since Bawling Bull said he "went up to Ft. Laramie".
Being in the south fits to the behaviour of Tapislecha.
But Black Foot and Two Face were not in the south. So they seem to be an offshot from Tapislecha or loosely connected to Tapislecha.
The only definite Tapislecha link for Two Face and Black Foot to belong to Tapislecha, is that Calico belonged to Tapislecha, according to Meany interview with Calico.
But Calico seems to be only a visitor in this small band, visiting his nephew Two Face.
Perhaps another definite Tapislecha link is that there was a person named Yellow Bear who belonged to Tapislecha. But it is not certain (though likely) it is him who was with this band when they were arrested at the ferry.
Anyway, Yellow Bear is not listed as lodge owner. So he is most likely a young visitor. Just like Calico.
Otherwise we have no direct "proof" that Two Face and Thunder Bear belonged to Tapislecha, only indications.
Thunder Bear did not mention Black War Bonnet in the interview with Walter Camp.
Following is a statement from Bedford and Park [2]:
"It is believed that young Black War Bonnet, seized at the same time, was Black Foot's son."
Thunder Bear would have mentioned if he had a brother named Black War Bonnet who was arrested at this time.
So the above statement from Bedford and Park seems to be out of the blue.
Anoter statement from Bedford and Park [2] which has no support in Thunder Bear's interview [1]:
"Two Face's son was Thunder Bear (Mato-wakinyan), seized at the time of his father's execuition and placed in chains."
Please notice that in his excellent text, McChristian got some relations of Black Foot wrong [3].
Regarding Calico.
McChristian: nephew of Black Foot
Thunder Bear's interview: nephew of Two Face
Calico himself said in an interview with Edmond Meany: "His uncle Two Face".
So McChristian got it wrong.
Regarding Standing Cloud and Red Dog.
McChristian: half brothers of Black Foot
Thunder Bear's interview: stepsons of Black Foot
The difference comes about because McChristain confuses young Thunder Bear and old Thunder Bear. Because young Thunder Bear always refers to his father as Thunder Bear in the Camp interview.
But McChristian got it right though that Long Legged Wolf was a stepson of Black Foot.
Please see a copy of part of Thunder Bear's interview below (this part is translated in section B. above, where the translation is given by purpose in the same format as the handwritten text):
References:
1. Walter Mason Camp, Thunder Bear Interview, Call Number SCM-000-826, Mss. 57 Walter Mason Camp Interview Notes, L. Tom Perry Special Collections Library, Harold B. Lee Library, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah
2. Denton R. Bedford and William C. Park, "Article on Hanging of the Chiefs Brings Forth Broad Reader Response", Montana: The Magazine of Western History, Vol. 20, No. 4 (Autumn, 1970), p. 76-77
3. Douglas C. McChristian, "Fort Laramie and the U. S. Army On the High Plains 1849 – 1890", National Park Service, Historic Resources Study, Fort Laramie National Historic Site, February 2003
4. Donald Collier, Oglala Field Notes, Pine Ridge Feb-March, 1939, Eggan, Fred. Papers, [Box 72, Folder 5], Special Collections Research Center, University of Chicago Library