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Post by grahamew on Dec 1, 2008 12:48:27 GMT -5
Hope this helps: As for the first picture, I always thought Grass was considerably taller than Gall and the date's got to be at least late 80s, maybe early 90s, judging from the dress and the physical appearance of Gall.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 2, 2008 15:40:59 GMT -5
...if it is Gall at all. The more I look at it...from the face he also could be Big Head. Or...?
Thanks for the close-up. I love studying all the faces in such goup photographs. Still don´t know who the pipe-bearer is. He has a broad face like the Cheyenne Bobtail had. But the inscription says Oglala...
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Post by grahamew on Dec 3, 2008 2:39:19 GMT -5
Here's another - misidentified as Navaho but re-identified on the the auction site as Southern Plains: Buffalo robe and hair-plates so... late 60s/early 70s?
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Post by grahamew on Dec 3, 2008 14:37:11 GMT -5
And two more: This was taken at the Columbian Exposition, 1893: Three Lakota - 1890-1900?
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 8, 2008 12:18:32 GMT -5
I would assume the Southern Plains men are either Cheyenne or Arapaho.
Looks like Painted Horse in the 1893 photo.
I´ve seen the three Lakota before... I think they are related to Iron Shell... I´ll take a look later...
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Post by hans54 on Dec 8, 2008 12:47:51 GMT -5
Columbian Exposition, 1893: The rather unassuming individual shoved away to the left, sporting suit and top hat, nevertheless is a man of eminence: George Sword.
Hans
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Post by grahamew on Dec 8, 2008 13:21:22 GMT -5
Of course! How could I miss him? I agree about Painted Horse too. Right build, anyway.
I wonder if the Southern Plains photo is a Bliss.
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Post by gorkinoff on Dec 14, 2008 0:06:46 GMT -5
ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA WHO THESE GUYS ARE AND WHEN/WHERE THE PHOTO IS FROM? THE OBVIOUS IS SANTEE/1800'S...WHAT IS THE REALITY?
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Post by grahamew on Dec 14, 2008 4:04:04 GMT -5
It's Spotted Tail (centre) and (part of?) a Brule delegation taken by Bell in Washington, 1881. At HIS right is his son, Iron Wing; at the far right is White Thunder, whom Young Spotted Tail (Iron Wing) killed in 1884.
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Post by jinlian on Dec 14, 2008 4:48:30 GMT -5
The photo was taken in 1880, during the visit of a Brulé-Oglala delegation which afterwards stopped to visit Carlisle. Grahame,I'm curious about the information of Iron Wing being a son of Spotted Tail - where did you find it? According to Hyde, originally Swift Bear and Old Man Crazy Horse (aka Worm) were selected to join the Brulé delegation, but for some reason (bad health?) they were later replaced with Black Crow, a son-in-law of Spotted Tail (who later plotted against him with Crow Dog and was put on trial, but convicted) and Iron Wing. I think that Iron Wing and Spotted Tail jr. were in fact two different persons. Here's Spotted Tail jr.: The Indian at Spotted Tail's left could be Likes the Bear, Lower Brulé.
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Post by grahamew on Dec 14, 2008 12:57:08 GMT -5
Ahh... Hmm. In other words, I don't know. I think I've mislabelled the photo in my files... Picture a red-faced smiley icon!
I believe Iron Wing was on the scene when Crow Dog shot Spotted Tail and he tried to stop him; however it was Young Spotted Tail who killed White Thunder, wasn't it?
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Post by jinlian on Dec 14, 2008 13:44:44 GMT -5
Yes, it was Little Spotted Tail to kill White Thunder and his father in 1884.
Iron Wing was indeed the first one to get on the scene of Spotted Tail's shooting, getting hold of Crow Dog and preventing him to fire a second time; right after that, Two Strike, Ring Thunder and He Dog came along too.
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Post by gorkinoff on Dec 14, 2008 23:47:37 GMT -5
SPOTTED TAIL IS THE ONE I WAS PRETTY SURE OF...THANX, JON
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Post by grahamew on Dec 15, 2008 2:22:31 GMT -5
Were Iron Wing and Spotted Tail related?
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Post by jinlian on Dec 15, 2008 12:07:54 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know...I guess this would be a good question for Kingsley and Ephriam.
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