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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 19, 2010 11:06:31 GMT -5
I was reading Jeroen's posting today on the 1863 Southern Plains Delegation photos, in particular his identifying Lone Wolf and Yellow Buffalo Bull as part of the Kogui band of Kiowas. As many of you will know James Mooney in preparing his CALENDAR HISTORY OF THE KIOWA obtained information on the Kiowa bands, and their position in the tribal camp-circle. In his papers Mooney had a detailed diagram of the circle which identified the bands, and the names of many of the individual family heads (in Kiowa only). The diagram is illustrated in one of the TIME-LIFE Old West series from the 1970s (either THE INDIANS or THE GREAT CHIEFS - I don't have a copy). Could we get it on the site, then start a dialogue on translating the Kiowa names? Kingsley
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Post by grahamew on Feb 19, 2010 11:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by buffaloman on Feb 19, 2010 15:34:52 GMT -5
Here is a scan from page 14 of THE GREAT CHIEFS.
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 20, 2010 6:35:36 GMT -5
Here is the simplified sketch by Mooney: Kiowa Camp Circle at Annual Sun DancesGroup 1: Kátá or ReeThe largest division of Kiowas was known as the Kata or Biters, a word that comes from the Arikara tribe. This old group of Chief Dohasan occupies first place in the circle and held the hereditary right (duty) to furnish the buffalo for the Sun Dance. Group 2: Kogúi or Elks BandThis band was noted for leadership in war ceremonies, for example at a Sun Dance. Satanta and Big Bow belonged to this group. Group 3: Kaigwa or Kiowa ProperThis small group was respected by other groups because they kept the sacred idol, the Tai-may (taime). It was perhaps the original nucleus of the Kiowa nation. Group 4: Kinep or Big ShieldsThey policed the Sun Dance. Group 5: Semat or Thieves (Kiowa-Apache)A distinct tribe that was allowed to be part of the Kiowa circle. Group 6: Kontalyui or Black Boys or Sindi´s Children or Under the Sun MenA small band named after the cultural hero of the Kiowa, Sindi. A seventh group, Kuato or Pulling Up, was exterminated by Lakotas around 1780. Can we name important leaders of the different groups?
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 20, 2010 11:33:48 GMT -5
Thnaks everyone and especially to buffaloman for uploading the image from 'The Great Chiefs'. Jeroen I think you got the bands mixed up - if you look at the diagram above you will see that Lone Wolf is listed under his Kiowa name GUIPAGO in the Kata (Eater, or Arikara/Ree) band, not the Kogui band. His is the tipi numbered no. 12 in the circle. The Dohasan family was also part of the Kata band, lived in the first tipis next to the camp entrance. Dietmar, we need to compare the names on the diagram with Mooney's Calendar History. I'm sure it would yield a lot of identity matches. I guess if we could examine Mooney's original papers there would be extensive id's and notes on the names. Anyway, if you look at the last lodge in the circle, the one flanking the north side of the entrance you will see it is the medicine man MAMANTI. So he belonged to the Kontalyui band. Kicking Bird under his Kiowa name TENE AN'GOPTE, is in the Kogui (Elk) band, just a few tipis round from Satanta, who has the first tipi in the Kogui segment. Any Kiowa folks out there who want to help ? Kingsley
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Post by jeroen on Feb 20, 2010 15:01:51 GMT -5
You are absolutely right Kingsley! I meant Kata but mistakenly wrote Kogui... Lone Wolf was a close friend of Little Mountain (Dohausen) and they were of the same band. By 1863 Dohausen was getting old, so Lone Wolf went to Washington in his place. In addition, Lone Wolf was also Little Mountain's prefered choice to succeed him as principal chief.
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Post by kingsleybray on Feb 21, 2010 6:21:58 GMT -5
I've made a start with transcriptions of the Kiowa names on Mooney's diagram of the 1867 tribal camp circle.
Note the total tribal population of 238 lodges, equivalent to about 14-1500 people. The bands break down as KATA 40 lodges KOGUI 50 lodges KAIGWU 35 lodges KINEP 57 lodges SEMAT (Kiowa Apache) 46 lodges KONTALYUI 10 lodges
The first band in the circle is the KATA, literally Eater or Biter, figuratively meaning Arikara - so reflecting early Kiowa-Arikara trade contacts in the 18th-early 19th centuries.
The translations and identifications are taken from the glossary in Mooney's CALENDAR HISTORY OF THE KIOWA INDIANS, page numbers identified as M412 etc. At this stage I haven't taken the analysis further than that. Note how some lodges are not identified. This will be especially true of the KAIGWU band.
KATA band:
Lodge No. 1. Dohasan (ii) - the son of the head chief who died in 1866 M401 2 Dohasan (iii) - the nephew of " " " " " M401 3. Taoikia (i) 4. Tai-kiati 5. -- [no owner given] 6. Set-emaa Bear Lying Down M421 7. Aantadalti 8. -- 9. Guadaldogta ?Red Oak M399, 403 10. -- 11. Hotoiya 12. Guipago, Lone Wolf M404. 13. Apen-guadal, Red Otter, Lone Wolf's brother M395 14. -- 15. Kyun-taiti ? White Shield M414, 423 16. -- 17. Tene-taidi, Bird Chief M425 18. -- 19. Guato-konkta ?Black Bird M404 20. Takai-bodal, Spoiled Saddle Blanket M423 21. -- 22. Zepko-eeta, Big Bow M430, famous war leader 23. -- 24. -- 25. Tene-daiti, Bird -? M425 26. -- 27. -- 28. Taoikia (ii) 29. -- 30. -- 31. Konhapti 32. -- 33. Pai-tal iyi 34. -- 35. -- 36. -- 37. Tebodal, complex translation see M424 38. -- 39. -- 40. Pansahe
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Post by grahamew on Feb 21, 2010 10:28:27 GMT -5
Has anyone got a better version of this photo - and does it show the elder Little Mountain who died in 1866 or the son?
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Post by jeroen on Feb 21, 2010 10:52:42 GMT -5
This picture shows Little Mounatin the Younger, who was nephew of the one who died in 1866. He does wear a shirt that belonged to the principal chief and he was a reputed warrior, but never recognized as chief. As far as I know, here is no photograph of the original Little Mountain, just the well known portrait by Catlin.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 21, 2010 12:54:49 GMT -5
James Abert, 1846: "1. Tiah-nah-zi 2. A Kioway 3. Ditto 4. Cassalan 5. Wife of Do. -- To-hah-sun 6. Little Mountain, Chief of the Kioways. 2 and 3 were attendants of Little Mountain"
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 22, 2010 10:39:00 GMT -5
A similar photo as the one posted by Grahame above: Dohasan or Do-hauson (Little Mountain of Bluff) & his wife Ankima photograph by James Mooney 1893 He was the nephew of the old chief.
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Post by jeroen on Feb 22, 2010 11:52:07 GMT -5
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Post by charlie on Apr 6, 2011 10:35:14 GMT -5
Can anyone recognize the exact position, in the tribal circle, of the follow chiefs: -A'DO-EETTE (Big Tree) -TSEN-TAINTE (White Horse) -SET-ANGYA (Sitting Bear) -MA YE TIN (Woman's Heart) (may be in correspondance of the letter N(orth) of Kinep band? Then, I think that SETIM-KIA (Stumbling Bear) is near to TENE-ANGPOTE (Kicking Bear).
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 7, 2011 14:09:39 GMT -5
Charlie,
Womans´s Heart seems to be among the Kivep or Big Shield band. It´s the third name from right in that band.
Kicking Bear and Stumbling Bear are indeed close together in the Kogui band.
Unfortunately not all names are readable. I haven´t discern Big Tree, White Horse and Sitting Bear yet.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 20, 2012 7:03:02 GMT -5
I haven't time to continue transcribing all the names on the Mooney 1867 Kiowa camp circle, but some of the prominent leaders can be equated with bands, as follows:
Kata, or Ree band: Dohasan Lone Wolf Big Bow
Kogui, or Elk band: Satanta (Set-tainte) Kicking Bird Stumbling Bear
Kinep, or Big Shield band: Woman's Heart
Kontalyui, or Black Boy band: Maman-ti
The main chief we need to place is Satank (Set-angya, Sitting Bear). I wonder if he fits in the Kaigwu or Kiowa Proper band - most families in that band are not named in the document.
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