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Post by grahamew on Nov 23, 2017 12:15:54 GMT -5
I would guess 1878
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Post by charlie on Nov 23, 2017 12:42:31 GMT -5
Then, if he was born in 1820, we see in the photo a man aged 58. He looks a bit more young...
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 24, 2017 9:37:18 GMT -5
Brave Wolf: he must have been of Suhtai descent on at least one side because he was the nephew of the great Suhtai holy man Box Elder (aka Old Brave Wolf). He was also a brother-on-law of Little Wolf (made the Sweet Medicine Chief in -- ?? 1868??). He must have been born later than 1820, more like 1840 I would have thought.
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Post by charlie on Nov 24, 2017 15:10:40 GMT -5
I'm agree with you Kingsley: in the three chiefs photo (speaking of: who is the man in the middle??) Brave Wolf looks circa 40. I have found the date of birth in this book: Cheyenne memories of the Custer fight (Richard G. Hardorff) where is confirmed that he was son of HORN, a famous prophet of the Northern (...therefore O'mi'sis) Cheyenne.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 24, 2017 17:22:55 GMT -5
charlie, Hardorff seems to have made a wrong conclusion. According to the endnotes in Fr Powell's People of the Sacred Mountain, Horn the holy man was the father of Box Elder, also known as Old Brave Wolf. The warrior Brave Wolf -- photographed by Morrow -- was a nephew of Box Elder, so probably called Horn his 'grandfather'. Both Horn and Box Elder were prominent Suhtai holy men, keepers of an ancient sacred bundle featuring one of the redstone 'straight' pipes used in the Cheyenne Medicine Lodge ceremony (Sun Dance).
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Post by charlie on Nov 25, 2017 7:08:55 GMT -5
So, we must labelled BRAVE WOLF in this way: born around 1840 in Suhtai band (Southern Cheyenne); nepew of holy man Box Elder. After, by marriage with Corn Woman, he belonged to O'mi'sis band of Northern Cheyenne. Date of death uncertain: 1910 or after 1926. Every other info and corrections are appreciated.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 25, 2017 8:22:35 GMT -5
Brave Wolf and his family were definitely Northern Cheyenne. There were Suhtai people both in the north and the south.
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Post by Mike on Sept 10, 2019 19:45:02 GMT -5
Brave Wolf: he must have been of Suhtai descent on at least one side because he was the nephew of the great Suhtai holy man Box Elder (aka Old Brave Wolf). He was also a brother-on-law of Little Wolf (made the Sweet Medicine Chief in -- ?? 1868??). He must have been born later than 1820, more like 1840 I would have thought. Correct and Brave Wolf (the younger) was also a contrary for a long time, bravely carrying his Thunder-Bow into battle, he is the subject of several gorgeous ledger drawings as well. I will upload the ones from People of the Sacred Mountain. I will double check, but I believe Little Wolf was first elected Sweet Medicine Chief of the entire Cheyenne nation in 1864 and re-elected at the 10 year election ceremony in 1874. He also maintained his headman status of the Northern Elks, a first for a Sweet Medicine chief.
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Post by grahamew on Jan 16, 2021 13:37:43 GMT -5
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Post by Mike on Jan 25, 2021 17:26:19 GMT -5
Cheyenne Warrior and Sitting Soldier from our benefactors at Cowan's Could you repost this image? Love this collection
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Post by Mike on Jan 25, 2021 17:36:24 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar, could you repost this one please? Would love to see this younger photo of Brave Wolf the famous contrary, thanks
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 25, 2021 18:36:43 GMT -5
Hi Mike, I´m sure there is somewhere a better scan, but here it is: Wolf Voice on left, Brave Wolf on right
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Post by Mike on Jan 26, 2021 16:42:21 GMT -5
Hi Mike, I´m sure there is somewhere a better scan, but here it is: Wolf Voice on left, Brave Wolf on right Thank you Dietmar!
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Post by Mike on Jan 26, 2021 16:44:30 GMT -5
I had never before seen this photo of Little Wolf, thanks for posting grahamew
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Post by grahamew on Aug 25, 2021 8:40:30 GMT -5
Morrow moved to Yankton in 1868 and travelled around in 1869, including a visit to Fort Thompson; but in 1870, he travelled up the Mssouri, visiting various locations like Fort Rice, Fort Totten, Fort Buford, Fort Abercrombie - which makes me wonder if he took the photograph of the treaty between the Ojibwe and the Dakota: EDIT: It seems it wasn't. It was a man called Landgeving(?). He was back in Yaknton in 1871 before travelling to Forts Rice and Buford the following year and in 1873, to Fort Benton and Montana, before returning to Yankton and later joining Crook's expedition in the Black Hills, where he photographed the aftermath of Slim Buttes. Cheyenne River. Would be great to have a closer shot with more detail of the people Tipis below Cheyenne River 'Indian dance at Fort Thompson' Grand River Agency Yankton scout camp, Fort Rice As above As above 'Red River carts and Sioux Indians' Presumably Yanktons at Fort Rice, though there is a similar photo of Berthold men with red river carts: I know we've had this before, but this time we have more identifications: Two Bears and warriors at Fort Randall or Fort Totten. Back row: Two Bears, unidentified, Black Buffalo, Two Bear's son (is this not Thunder Hawk?); front: Unidentified, Blue Eyes, Hairy Chin. Sisseton women Arikara Medicine Lodge, Fort Berthold First and second chiefs of the Arikara First and second chiefs of the Mandan (Red Crow and Bad Gun) First and second chiefs of the Hidatsa I'm assuming the above were taken the same day he took the photo of the treaty between the Arikara, Mandan, Hidatsa and Yanktonai (and Dakota?) at Fort Totten: Issuing annuities at Berthold As above Assiniboine camp, Fort Buford Most of these photos (and there are many more of Like a Fish-Hook) come from statemuseum.nd.gov/database/photobook/index.php?content=photobook-search&search_item=Morrow&radio=ItemSearch but the dates aren't always correct. Makes me wonder how many more photos he took on his trips...
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