Post by gabrielg2706 on Dec 27, 2012 20:29:06 GMT -5
need help, found this in itica, nebraska, from a woman who passed away, family used to own a corn seed factory, name can be provided if needed, the woman lived in the same era, we were asked to clean out her house and it was found in a drawer, she seems to have collected many old photos and lots of calendar art, and old religous photos, and newspaper articles, is the signiture authentic? we are currently debating it because if the signiture is real then how could it be a 1267-lithograph from 1929, made in the usa? also, on the back it says no. 12 in the famous american series, made by forbes litho co.
Post by akhummingbird on Dec 28, 2012 2:41:54 GMT -5
I am not an authority, and will let other comment, but my opinion, it could be a reproduction of an original signature. My family owns an original Sitting Bull signature in a personal autograph book, and also a photograph of Sitting Bull by Palmquist - and at the bottom it looks like an original signature...and for years my Dad thought it was an original autograph, but I have since seen the exact same photo with the exact same signature for sale at various auction sites, which leads me to believe that when the photo was reproduced they also copied an original signature with it. Anyway, it is the same handwriting as Sitting Bull's, but probably just a reproduction and not an original autograph. Thank you for sharing. Barbara
I don't think it is an original - it Looks like reproduced with tracing paper. And there is One thing which makes me believe its a reproduction - on all original Autographs I know Sitting Bull made a "little bird" above the 1st "i".
Post by akhummingbird on Dec 30, 2012 0:38:36 GMT -5
Not all original Sitting Bull autographs have the little bird. My family has an autograph book of Annie Galpin Kennedy (Eagle Woman That All Look At/Matilda Picotte Galpin's youngest daughter). It has Sitting Bull's original signature with no dot/bird over the i and no t crossed. There is no date on that page, but the next page is signed by James McLaughlin Standing Rock Agency D.T. Feb 24 1882
I'm a (silent) member of the Plains Indian Seminar II group and the inestimable Mike Cowdrey posted the best yet view of the photo by George Anderton purporting to be of Sitting Bull at Fort Walsh in 1878. Hope he doesn't mind me re-posting his edit.
Cowdrey sees Sitting Bull at the right of the flagpole and the Blackfeet leader, Crowfoot, at the left. I have to admit, this close, it does seem like him. I wonder what the specific occasion was, Both leaders - and a couple of the other men - seem to be wearing the same kind of hat, as if it had just been doled out to mark the occasion. Many of the men are hiding behind their blankets. I don't see Walsh there. In the photos I'm familiar with, he sports a natty goatee or a bushy moustache that would've done Joseph Stalin proud. Unless he's the shorter man with the braidwork on his jacket, The man to the left is possibly James Macleod, when compared to this photograph. The close up reveals some of the men I originally thought to be Indians are likely Metis types - the man in the capote and hat to the (our) right of Sitting Bull and the mounted man directly behind him.
If it is Sitting Bull (and I see less of a resemblance to Crowfoot), I think this is the first Anderton photo I've seen, apart from the one of Long Dog, that shows the Lakota at Fort Walsh; others I've seen labelled 'Sioux' seem to be Cree or Blackfeet people.
Last Edit: May 9, 2013 17:10:54 GMT -5 by grahamew
I don't think the man at the left looks anything like Crowfoot; perhaps the man on the right, a little bit more - bearing in mind the seven year difference - but still not close enough. The dress and hairstyle of several of the other men (the two mounted men to the left of the pole, for instance - doesn't immediately strike me as Lakota either.
Like I said earlier in the thread, wouldn't the first image of the man who wiped out Custer have been so valuable that it would have appeared in newspapers soon after it was taken?
Either way, it's a great image.
Last Edit: May 13, 2013 6:34:44 GMT -5 by grahamew