In my opinion we don't have to doubt that the Poor Bear/Caddo Jake photo and the "Satank" portrait show one and the same man... I always thought that the Satank photograph was taken by Soule in about 1870... but if you are sure the Poor Bear/Caddo Jake image is part of the 1863 series, I agree with you it is much more likely the old man is actually Poor Bear... On the other hand, nearly all Soule photographs were also shown to Kiowa elders (including his youngest son) by Wilbur Nye and none of them said anything about the Satank identification... Also, the man shown in the photographs does fit exactly with all descriptions of Satank...
I, for one, believe that the photos depict Satank. The famous portrait that Soule claimed was of Satank shows the man wearing the elk-skin sash of the Koitsenko war society. Only ten men were ever allowed to belong to the Koitsenko society and to wear the sash, one of whom was Satank. I have also seen the same photo of Satank, an original Soule carte de viste, in the home of Ioleta McElhaney, grand-daughter of Satank through George Hunt, son of Satank. Ioleta told me that her photo came down through the family. Ioleta McElhaney has been dead for a number of years now.
Another thing that suggests to me that the photo is of Satank, is that William Soule was selling his photos at Ft. Sill and Camp Supply when these warriors were still living. Soule was selling photos to soldiers and officers, many who knew the warriors, and who wanted a photo of some particular warrior. I can't imagine that he would have misrepresented the identity of an individual to another officer or soldier who knew the warrior. In the late 1860s, Satank was quite well known at the military posts.
Kiowas later claimed that Satank wore a moustache, and that he had a scar above his lip, from an arrow wound received in battle with Pawnees, sometime in the 1850s. The portrait seems to show some deformity above the lip, although it is hard to tell, with the moustache.
As to the photo of the two individuals, I agree that the man on the left is almost certainly the same individual as the man in the famous Soule portrait, said to be Satank. I have read somewhere, perhaps in Wilbur S. Nye, "Carbine and Lance," that there was a conference at either Ft. Sill, or Ft. Cobb, Indian Territory, ca. 1868 or '69, which was attended by Kiowas, Comanches, Wichitas, and Caddos. Perhaps this is where the photo of Satank and the Caddo man was taken?
Thanks Dietmar. I just looked at the photos you posted of the 1863 delegation, and I must agree that the photo depicting Caddo Jake and the other individual that you identify as Poor Bear must have been taken during the '63 delegation. The carpet bears that out. The man seated in the middle of the photo just above it is identified as Lean Bear, which would be the same name as Poor Bear, which implies a starving bear. And, this individual is also in the outdoor group photo, second from the left in the front row. However, you have the name of War Bonnet in his place, and Lean Bear on the far left. It should be War Bonnet on the left, and Lean Bear second from left. Could you post the outdoor photo, without the identifications on it, in that same resolution, or larger?
I still maintain that the Soule photo depicts Satank. I now think that we are comparing two different individuals, though they are similar in appearance.
The pic labled Kiowa Couple-1910 is of my great grandfather Odlepah/Odlepaugh, and great grandmother Annauntay (most common spellings).
Odlepah was the only son of Settainte (Whitebear) while the rest claiming heirship were brought into the family thru marriage. Settainte had several wives who already had children when Settainte married them. Settainte also had three daughters.
The family passed the name Odlepah to me, which I still carry but am getting ready to pass it on to a younger family member.
I'd never noticed the boy(?) to the right of the frame before!
You know, it looks like these photos and those you posted in the Comanche thread are by the same photographer. I've looked on the OHS site and found the others. There are a couple there of which I've seen cleaner copies and one was identified as being by Christian Winkler.
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One thing that would indicate to me that the famous "Satank" photo really is Satank, is that he is wearing what may be the Koitsenko sash. It was made of elk skin, and usually had an opening where it was pinned to the ground during warfare. Another thing. I knew an old Kiowa woman, Ioleta McElhaney, who was a granddaughter of Satank, and she had an original Soule portrait of the Satank photo, that had been passed down through her family.