sonny
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Post by sonny on Jul 13, 2019 8:33:23 GMT -5
Wow. These are so similar. The only difference I can see are their jackets - these white patches(?) The Smithsonian wrote this regarding what they had for identification: "Photo 792 (Little Crow, Jr.) which is marked 'same as 791', meaning a picture of Little Crow" "Photograph (black and white) from an album; a studio portrait of The Hawk That Hunts Walking (Tshi-tan Wa-Ku-Wa Ma-Ni), a Mdewakanton Dakota Chief, seated wearing a jacket and shirt, a feather headdress, and a blanket wrapped around his waist; his hair is in two braids, and he is holding a pouch and a piece of rolled fabric; St Paul, United States of America. Albumen print" Sonny
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Post by grahamew on Jul 13, 2019 12:27:33 GMT -5
They are remarkably alike.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 14, 2019 4:17:25 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 14, 2019 7:39:03 GMT -5
Maybe, Grahame, I´ve wondered about 'Maza', too. Mazym-Me hasn´t surfaced in any book or records I´ve seen so far. I tend to believe he was a Washington delegate, so there must be something about him somewhere.
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Post by trogers32 on Jul 22, 2020 21:14:56 GMT -5
Our member Sonny has sent me this information Little Crow´s son: This is William Cleveland Little Crow. However, he was only known as "Little Crow" until the 1890s when he converted to Christianity. The "Little Crow, Jr." is an accurate description. He was part of the exiled Dakota where he was relocated to the camps in Iowa and then to Santee, Nebraska. Settled on the Rosebud Reservation near present day Mosher, South Dakota. Very little information exists regarding Cleveland. There were many who went by that name in the SD region. ...this is Cleveland with his wife, Nellie (Red Dog) Little Crow: Thanky you, Sonny!
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Post by trogers32 on Jul 22, 2020 21:16:05 GMT -5
Our member Sonny has sent me this information Little Crow´s son: This is William Cleveland Little Crow. However, he was only known as "Little Crow" until the 1890s when he converted to Christianity. The "Little Crow, Jr." is an accurate description. He was part of the exiled Dakota where he was relocated to the camps in Iowa and then to Santee, Nebraska. Settled on the Rosebud Reservation near present day Mosher, South Dakota. Very little information exists regarding Cleveland. There were many who went by that name in the SD region. ...this is Cleveland with his wife, Nellie (Red Dog) Little Crow: Thanky you, Sonny!
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Post by trogers32 on Jul 22, 2020 21:33:33 GMT -5
Hello, Someone posted the picture below. Can you tell me where you found the reference? I am specifically interested in the fact Cleveland was identified as one of Isabelle Saicieyewin's son's (one of Chief Little Crow's wife). I am a descendant of Cleveland Little Crow. His daughter Ida Little Crow married Jess Lenaugh (Lenard). My grandmother is Marie Lenaugh (She married Robert Rogers). My dad is Robert Rogers, Jr. Cleveland and family lived near Mosher, SD near White River. The location lived is was called Little Crow Camp. My grandma and grandfather moved from Rosebud, SD in the 40's to Rapid City. My grandmother always indicated she was a descendant of Chief Little Crow, but we could never find the documentation proving it. Her stating it was enough documentation for me. The picture below made the connection - so I am interested in what book or document it came from. If you can help, it would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely. Sincerely Tim Rogers P.S. Having a hard time pasting picture. It is in the post from Dietmar from information Sonny sent him. I think I added as an attachment. Attachments:
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 23, 2020 3:30:50 GMT -5
I'm very interested in Cleveland Little Crow's connection to the Sicangu (Brule) Lakota on the Rosebud Reservation. The location he settled at is the Oak Creek community, often shortened to Okreek. A section of the 1903 Rosebud Allotment map is illustrated in Anderson & Hamilton, THE SIOUX OF THE ROSEBUD (Univ. Oklahoma Press, 1971), pp 120-121. It depicts Oak Creek community, and near the top right of the image are a cluster of allotments identified with the Little Crow family. One is marked "Red Dog / Little Crow" reflecting Cleveland Little Crow's marriage to Nellie Red Dog. The allotments are all close to the community School and Church, indicating how prominent the family was.
The Oak Creek Community was where the Isanyati band of Sicangu settled at Rosebud. As their name suggests, they were a branch off the Santee people, the d-Dakota speaking people of Minnesota. Their ancestors had come out onto the prairie to join the l-Lakota speaking people or Titonwan, I believe in the late 1600s. What is flagged up by the in-marriage of Cleveland Little Crow is how that tiyospaye sought to emphasise its origin and antecedents.
Across the generation c. 1790-1815 the Isanyati band of Sicangu had been led by Black Bull, the chief recognized as Sicangu head chief by Lewis & Clark in 1804. The allotment map shows Black Bull descendants were allotted land in the same community. In 1804 Afraid of Bear, the brother of Black Bull, was also prominent in the band (a Wakicunze or camp leader). Descendants of the Afraid of Bears are also shown on the allotment map. Quite close to the Little Crow allotments was that of Tall Mandan, a headman and camp crier in the band from the 1860s. There are also fur trade families like the Dorions and Clairmonts allotted along Oak Creek. Now, knowing that Cleveland Little Crow, a son of the Mdewakanton chief, also chose to marry in and settle at this community, is another clue into its deep history.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 27, 2020 14:30:14 GMT -5
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Post by Californian on Nov 9, 2020 14:54:37 GMT -5
thanks Grahame, the "blow up" of the first image "Francois LeRoy and Little Crow, Washington, 1858" at the Gilcrease is superb to say the least. Thanks for making this and the other images available.
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Post by Californian on Dec 2, 2022 0:31:40 GMT -5
thanks Grahame, the "blow up" of the first image "Francois LeRoy and Little Crow, Washington, 1858" at the Gilcrease is superb to say the least. Thanks for making this and the other images available.
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Post by gregor on Dec 2, 2022 6:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Dec 2, 2022 11:01:51 GMT -5
Yes. I think these... ... are the same person, but this... ... is a different man
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Post by Californian on Dec 2, 2022 11:44:09 GMT -5
Totally concur with Gregor and Grahame - No. 2 in Gregor's post and/or the last one is Grahame's post is positively a different man - one just has to compare the most prominent facial feature - the nose and all is clear. Who this other man really is, is debatable, I am personally not convinced that it is Cleveland Little Crow, actually am quite certain that it is not. I personally feel that it is a man of roughly the similar age of Chief Little Crow and the portrait taken about the same time as Little Crow's, that is late 1850's or perhaps early 1860's.
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Post by redlightening1800 on Dec 18, 2022 13:18:30 GMT -5
Obviously the feathers on the head mean something else, clearly the noses are different, is it a hudson bay blanket? and why he carrying a change purse?
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