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Post by Dietmar on Oct 21, 2016 8:15:36 GMT -5
For comparison, a portrait of Kills A Hundred, son of Red Dog: It´s difficult to compare front and profile portraits, but I believe he is the man with the dark shirt in the group photograph.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 21, 2016 11:13:46 GMT -5
I wonder if that's the same medal his father's wearing in the Choate photo.
Just to be clear, this is not the same man in the Curtis photo labelled Red Dog, is it?
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 21, 2016 19:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Oct 22, 2016 3:51:27 GMT -5
Ah, thanks.
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Post by kingsleybray on Oct 22, 2016 4:28:02 GMT -5
I see: Kills A Hundred is probably the 'chief'standing at left, not the man wearing the Miwatani headdress.
As I wrote, all the named men (with possible exception of Long Dog) seem to connect to the Oyuhpe band and its sub-groupings, the Oglala band that settled near the town of Manderson on the Pine Ridge Reservation.
Kills A Hundred was the son of Red Dog, the great Oyuhpe chief and headman of the Maka-icu (Takes Earth) sub-band.
Looks Twice and his close family are all listed in the Oyuhpe band in the 1890 Pine Ridge census. According to one Oglala friend, Looks Twice belonged to the Makaha (Skunk-skin) sub-band of Oyuhpe.
Slow Bull was from a prominent Oyuhpe family.
The man in the trailer headdress at the right of the group image is id'd (in the shot with Looks Twice) as Long Dog.
That still leaves one 'chief' unidentified. This is just an idea. The photo must have been taken around 1900 I would judge. In the early 20th century two Pine Ridge community lists (John Colhoff's list; and one from 1915 preserved by Fr Buechel) state that the major Oyuhpe headman of the day (after the deaths of Red Dog c. 1885 and Big Road in (?) 1897) was Spotted Owl. Could Spotted Owl be represented in the picture, I wonder? I don't know of a portrait to compare, I'm afraid.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 22, 2016 5:12:38 GMT -5
This is the only Spotted Owl I can find: Old Man Spotted Owl & Charles Little Boy - Oglala - 1935
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Post by grahamew on Oct 22, 2016 5:41:46 GMT -5
Probably no help, but the best I could find is this, taken in Oakland in 1910. All I have on it is that it features Young Spotted Owl (the shorter guy?), Crow Dog et al. I have no idea who is meant to be who and it's clearly not THE Crow Dog:
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Post by gregor on Oct 22, 2016 9:52:17 GMT -5
I have these 4 men as Rocky Bear?, Ghost Dog , Bear Shield? , High Horse. But I think that's more a guess than knowledge. I tried to cross check this photo with pics in my collection, but it is hard.
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Post by wolfgang on Oct 24, 2016 3:47:00 GMT -5
Hello, I would say Iron Cloud, Ghost Dog, Sitting Hawk, unknown. In e-bay there is a auction with photos on Iron Cloud. Look below: Sells-Floto Circus
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 24, 2016 8:24:19 GMT -5
Danke Wolfgang,
I think it´s Iron Cloud indeed.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 26, 2016 14:58:41 GMT -5
Dietmar, this is on Cowan's site, hidden away with a couple of Stilwell images. Same guy in bonnet; same setting, at least one of the women in common with the picture above. Whoever wrote the blurb (Mike Cowdrey? If so, he's uncredited) suggests that the lance is an emblem of the Strong Hearts and the eagle fluffs in the women's hair may mean that the photo was taken shortly after a Hunkalowanpi ceremony: Back to Stilwell: didn't he merely collect images by others and sell them with his blindstamp on the cards?
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Post by grahamew on Oct 27, 2016 5:25:50 GMT -5
A closer view:
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 28, 2016 9:22:37 GMT -5
Thanks Grahame,
according to the information in the other photograph of that scene the man with feather-bonnet is Long Dog (possibly an Oglala).
Yes, apparently Stilwell mainly sold the works of other photographers.
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Post by grahamew on Jan 19, 2017 12:17:50 GMT -5
Who is he? I came across this in an online album of photos of Ojibwe and Santee people, the bulk of which were taken by Zimmerman, Martin, Upton or Whitney. This one has no maker's name and I'm curious as to whether it even belongs in the same time frame... The ermine fringed shirt and what appears to be two or three red plumes in the centre of the bonnet band (didn't they become popular much later?) make me wonder.
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Post by allenc on Jan 20, 2017 9:00:38 GMT -5
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I don't know whether my images will come through. The shirt, at least, was owned by White Bull, Sans Arc. Worn in several 19th century photos. The standing man is probably White Bull
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