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Post by grahamew on Oct 14, 2019 14:55:38 GMT -5
Unknown Real Bull Au-Su-Ka-Do - The Set Still Indian
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 20, 2019 5:58:04 GMT -5
I´ve seen Real Bull identified as a Cheyenne, although another portrait of him says he was Sioux.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 21, 2019 14:22:35 GMT -5
Thought I'd seen him before:
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 22, 2019 4:00:56 GMT -5
There's a passage in "Red Hat: Cheyenne Blue Sky Maker and Keeper of the Sacred Arrows" that might refer to the real Real Bull shown above:
"Long time ago there was a man, Real Bull, he was a very powerful medicine man. He came down from Sioux country and married a Cheyenne woman, they used to live west of Longdale." (page 104)
Maybe this explains why he was rated Sioux in some photos and Cheyenne in others.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 22, 2019 5:03:50 GMT -5
The fact he's photographed in Oklahoma is interesting too, though the other man is also labelled Lakota. Maybe they were down there for the Indian Congress...
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 22, 2019 7:40:39 GMT -5
I think this is the same Real Bull: There is one other Real Bull, who is labeled Sioux on the unreliable pages of Pinterest: The Oklahoma Historical Society has him as Osage, though.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 6, 2019 11:32:22 GMT -5
This picture was sent to me by email. Do we know anything about the man in the photo, One Horn Buffalo, the photographer or the year it was taken?:
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Post by grahamew on Mar 16, 2020 8:02:22 GMT -5
Bear Comes Out, Oglala (and wife and daughter), ca. 1907) Bear Comes Out Bear Comes Out, Pat Ryan (?) and unidentified...
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 16, 2020 8:13:13 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Mar 17, 2020 2:07:35 GMT -5
Ryan seems to have been an Omaha-based dealer in Indian 'goods'
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 17, 2020 5:35:11 GMT -5
Yep, Pat Ryan (Patsy “Short Horse” Ryan, 1858-1910), an Indian artifact dealer in Omaha, Nebraska. He was sometime also a resident of Chadron, Neb. and presented his large collection of Indian relics and other stuff at the Omaha Trans-Mississippi and International Exposition in 1898.
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Post by grahamew on Mar 17, 2020 7:19:29 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by grahamew on Mar 20, 2020 17:26:05 GMT -5
A newspaper illustration supposed to be Old Man Afraid - I wonder if anyone has seen a photo it's based on. Big Bow, Comanche? Hidatsa? Wasted Bear? Nez Perce? Yellow Bull, Nez Perce? Oto? Wild West Show Lakota, 1903 Palmengarten' (Frankfurt, Germany) Osage, I'm guessing from the maker's stamp Ojibwe? Blackfoot?? Cree
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Post by fred on Apr 27, 2020 9:16:22 GMT -5
I am assuming this will be a long-shot, but here goes... On the LBHA Facebook site, there is the usual bickering over a tintype that showed up purporting to be a photograph of Crazy Horse. Most of those who are fairly astute in these matters dispute the claim, yet a book has been written giving all sorts of "evidence" that the photo is indeed, the famous Oglala. As part of this whole discussion, the following photo was displayed, some people claiming the individuals depicted are the same person, while others dispute even that. I have posted the double image to see if anyone here can identify with some semblance of certainty, who these two men are. Anyway, I appreciate any help here. Best wishes, Fred. Wagner
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 27, 2020 9:43:04 GMT -5
Hi Fred,
the picture on left is a Sicangu, who was part of the Sioux group that went to Cincinnati in 1896. He is NOT Crazy Horse and NOT the same man as in the tintype on right.
Greetings to the LBH forum ;-)
Dietmar
P.S.: just looked over at the FB page, the member there got the information about the 1896 photo directly from me per e-mail a couple of days ago.
It would have been nice to know where it ends up.
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