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Post by Dietmar on May 27, 2009 11:11:41 GMT -5
Here´s another photograph of Hollow Horn Bear and his brother Iron Shell: Hollow Horn Bear & Iron Shell by John A. Anderson, 1900
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Post by kingsleybray on May 28, 2009 3:55:48 GMT -5
great photo Dietmar. Good looking family them Iron Shells!
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Post by jinlian on Sept 3, 2009 12:38:31 GMT -5
Hollow Horn Bear and Colonel Cummins, 1901
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Post by jeroen on Sept 15, 2009 12:17:49 GMT -5
I have this one also identified as Iron Shell:
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Post by jinlian on Oct 6, 2009 15:35:28 GMT -5
Hollow Horn Bear, 1910
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Post by grahamew on Oct 7, 2009 1:27:20 GMT -5
From his clothes, taken the same time as the one with Col Cummins
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Post by ephriam on Jul 4, 2010 0:26:34 GMT -5
I am wondering if the Brule leader Dog Hawk is related to the Iron Shell family.
In 1867, based on information from trader G. P. Beauvais, the Orphan band of Brule was rated at about 50 lodges, under the leadership of Iron Shell and Dog Hawk. During the 1866 Fort Laramie Treaty discussions the year before, Iron Shell was not present but Dog Eagle was. "I have taken the place of my brother," Dog Eagle said. Was he referring to Iron Shell?
If these two men were brothers, it is interesting to note that in July 1867, Dog Hawk came in to Fort Laramie while Iron Shell remained out with the "northern Indians." This might suggest a political split between the progressive and traditionalist factions within the Orphan band.
In support of the comments above about the Minneconjou origins of the Iron Shell family, I found a letter in the Spotted Tail Agency records dated June 1877 in which Dog Eagle had arrived at the Cheyenne River Agency, requesting rations and to be transferred to that agency. Lt. Lee replied that Dog Eagle had resided at Spotted Tail "for years" and did not approve a transfer. But he must have had relatives at Cheyenne River if he wanted to make the transfer.
George Hyde (in Spotted Tail's Folk) mentioned Dog Hawk as one of the opposition leaders to Spotted Tail (p. 317) and possibly involved in the planning of Spotted Tail's assassination in 1881. There was a Brule named Dog Hawk (born about 1839) listed in the census for the Rosebud Agency in 1887, younger than I was expecting but could be him.
Any oral history that might provide details as to the relationship between Dog Hawk and the Iron Shell family?
ephriam
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 6, 2010 1:00:44 GMT -5
In the Walter S. Camp papers, Lilly Library, University of Indiana, transcript p. 390, it is stated on authority of Antoine Bordeaux that Iron Shell's "brothers" were:
Dog Hawk Crow Dog Bell Snake Moccasin Face Brave Bull.
(I have also been told that Crow Dog was an in-law of Iron Shell.)
Iron Shell came to Ft Sully in early June 1867 with a large contingent of Miniconjous and Sans Arcs, including Lone Horn. On June 9 he met with the Investigative Commission led by Gens Sully, Stanley, and Eli S. Parker, also Fr De Smet. In the Commission Proceedings their talk is minuted, and Iron Shell replied, to the question "Have you been on the Platte lately?"
"I heard you were coming here. I was just going there. My brother was at Laramie."
Later he remarks: "I have a messenger to travel around and hear the news. I now come to hear for myself."
Maybe these ref's are to Dog Hawk?
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Post by miyelo on Jul 7, 2010 19:53:42 GMT -5
I have a great pic of Hollow Horn Bear I found the negative in a box at St. Francis Mission....taken in Valentine NE in I think 1902, with his adopted black slave boy...the pic really shows how tall HHB was. How do I post it?
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Post by grahamew on Feb 10, 2013 15:01:31 GMT -5
Iron Shell (Jr) and family: Photo by Benjamin, Cincinnati, Ohio.
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Post by ephriam on Jun 26, 2014 7:06:43 GMT -5
Here is a short interview with Iron Shell's son, Hollow Horn Bull, from the Meany Papers, which includes some new biographical details:
Hollow Horn Bear Ma-to-Xe-gol-yet-su Brule Sioux 57 years old
Rosebud, 29 July 1907 Charles C. Tackett, Interpreter
At 12, he first went on the warpath. It was against the Pawnees. He was too young to take part and only staid.
At 19 he took the pipe and led his first war party. They killed a lot of Pawnee wood haulers.
He took part in 23 or more battles, mostly against the Pawnees, Omahas, Poncas, Shoshones, Utes, Shawnees and the Arikarees and the whites. He counted [his first] coup on a Pawnee in the first battle where he was leader. It was first coup; and number one on a Shawnee; a number one on an Omaha; a number one on a Ponca who is living on the Rosebud agency now.
Hollow Horn Bear, Standing Bear, Black Crow and Crow Dog joined in a raid against the Pawnees. Hollow Horn Bear counted three coups there. He also counted coup on a Shoshones. He has counted coup many times but does not like to tell about.
Where Lodge Pole Creek heads into Big Horn Mountains he counted coup on many of his friends meaning the white soldiers. The troops were under General Starr. Later near the same place they killed 70 more soldiers including an officer with two stars. This was near the same place.
His father was one of the headmen who took part in the treaty of 1868. He did not want to come this far but hoped to die before the whites crowded so much brining these troubles.
He was in the Custer fight. He did not take part in the Reno fight as he was with the Minneconjous, but he got around in time to take part with his people against Custer’s command. Six Sioux killed were put to bed in one tipi. Custer was killed by a young Yanktonai, whose father’s name was Big Knife who also got Custer’s sorrel horse. The Indians stripped and scalped the men.
He did not see the Indians drinking whiskey from the soldiers’ canteens.
He refused to come to the agency until Tackett and others came for him since which he has been at peace. He became a scout for the government and remained in the service for two years. He and Tackett have been chums ever since as his father Iron Shell and Tackett’s father had been before.
He went to Washington after Crazy Horse was killed.
Since he has grown up the chiefs were Crow Dog, White Thunder, Black Crow, Brave Bull, Looking Horse and Standing Bear. Of his age brave warriors were Lone Elk, Knock-off-Two, Thunder Hawk, Red Fish, and himself. “We were always together and fought together.”
General Crook was supposed to be the greatest white general. Tackett says Crook told him that he had shot 25 times at Crazy Horse without hitting him. His father’s father had the name of Hollow Horn Bear and this name was given to the boy when he was about ten years of age. He was also called Bear’s Ears. Now he is sometimes called “Ears.” His father wanted him to take his name of Iron Shell after the young man had counted coup but he declared he would make the name of Hollow Horn Bear good.
Tackett tells of an antelope hunt in which Hollow Horn Bear proved himself a fine shot. He was a great hunter of buffalo and wild horses.
In the Custer fight Thunder Hawk was seriously wounded in a side battle with Custer’s Crow and soldier scouts. He was rescued from the field by a Cheyenne who took him up on his own horse. When Custer showed up at the camp this Cheyenne came to the tipi where Thunder Hawk was and said: “My friend I am going into this battle and on this day I will die.” He had on a rude coat of mail and for this reason was called “Wears-the-Iron-Shirt.” He dashed away into the fight, charging into the midst of the soldiers. Soon after they brought his dead boy into the camp a bullet in his forehead. In honor of this event Thunder Hawk names his son “Rescuer,” who is now living at Rosebud.
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Post by dT on Jun 26, 2014 14:44:58 GMT -5
"I've sometimes wondered whether an 'iron shell' could be a medal"
an astute guess, I would think.
Pete (dT)
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Post by tdhudson on Nov 26, 2014 9:28:19 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Iron Shell died? He was alive in August 1872 when he went to Washington DC with Spotted Tail, Two Strike, and other Sicangu headmen. I have not seen any reference to him after that date.
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Post by kingsleybray on Nov 26, 2014 15:36:53 GMT -5
I don't know for sure when Iron Shell died, it would be a good thing if someone could establish the right date. He certainly lived for at least a decade after his 1872 trip to Washington. In the Ralph Case testimony about the Black Hills case, collected in 1923, there are statements by one or two of his sons which establish that Iron Shell was present during the 1875 Black Hills council. He also went as one of the wakichunze with Spotted Tail, Two Strike, and Swift Bear to negotiate the surrender of the Non-treaty Lakotas in 1877. He is listed in the Spotted Tail Agency census conducted in 1877.
So he accompanied the Sichangu on their final move, to Rosebud in 1878. He was now about 63 years old, and he seems to have retired from active chieftainship, though he would have remained a respected elder in the band and tribal council. The last entry in the winter count he kept is for 1883, "Red Top Tipi Band Made a Dance Hall", a log dance and council house of the sort built by the Omaha society. Possibly this was the year he died. I don't see him in documents or censuses after that date - though my census knowledge is not encyclopaedic like Ephriam's. There are a couple of references out there to him dying in the 1890s, but I would like to see something more definitive.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 30, 2014 7:03:58 GMT -5
Karla from New Hampshire has sent me this photograph of Iron Shell´s headstone on Rosebud reservation. According to this headstone he died in 1885: Thank you Karla!
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