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Post by ladonna on Jul 29, 2008 12:33:18 GMT -5
Hogan Duta,Chief Red Fish Lower Yanktonais Chief Red Fish had 21 lodges and 77 people under his care in the 1885 Ration list for Standing Rock. Pecokaya (Crown of the Head); Wasicun Maza (Iron White Man); Zintkana Sapa (Black Bird); Wahacanka Gi (Brown Shield); Wanbdi Topa (Four Eagles); Tasunke Inape (His Horse Appears); Ota Kutepi (Shot at Many Times); Sunka Wakan Yuha (He Owns a Horse); Wasa (Vermillion); Heraka Ho Waste (Good Voice Elk); Marpiya Taninkiya (Appearing Cloud); Atanin (Appearing); Nape Rota win (Grey Hand Woman); Anpetu Ska win (White Day Woman); Cetan Ska (White Hawk); Tatanka Oye Tokeca (Different Track Bull); Tate Rota (Grey Wind); Akta Katapi (Finishing Stroke); Ocin Sica (Cross); Hinhan Hoton Mani (Lowing Owl Walking); Tunkan (Boulder); Wamniomni (Whirlwind);
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 30, 2008 7:22:47 GMT -5
Red Fish by D.F. Barry Red Fish & sons (also by Barry)
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 1, 2008 11:27:28 GMT -5
I just have seen that Kingsley posted information about Red Fish in May 2008 in the "Miniconjou/Sans Arc at the LBH"-thread at the littlebighorn.info board. The complete information will be uploaded at our site later, so I thought it would be good to copy an edit here again (thanks to Kingsley):
The Red Fish photographed by Barry was a Upper Yanktonai chief, Cuthead (Pabaksa) band. There is some info' about him in the Col. A. B. Welch papers at Standing Rock. Welch notes his death in 1928 and the information from his daughter Eva Little Chief (I think her photo' appears in one of Jim Howard's booklets on the Dakota) that his boyhood name was Mahpiya Howaste (Good Voice Cloud), "but when he was made Chief his name was changed to Red Fish". His father was All Over Black, a Yanktonai chief in the 1860s-70s period.
However-r-r, another Welch paper says that this Red Fish was "a son of the Red Fish who was an Oglala chief in 1849 and who lost his influence and position on account of the failure of his war party against the Crows". This refers to an incident recorded by Fr DeSmet, a Lakota defeat by the Crows which resulted in the capture of Red Fish's daughter. Despite the tribal confusion, this story is about the Red Fish, Miniconjou chief and father of Lone Horn. According to one descendant (through a younger son who carried the name Red Fish and settled at Rosebud), one of Red Fish's later wives was an Oglala - maybe connected to the confusion over tribe.
I find it much more likely that the Yanktonai Red Fish was a son of All Over Black. Whether we might posit a hunka relationship to the Miniconjou leader, or some other connection . . . who knows?
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 1, 2008 14:53:36 GMT -5
...another photo of Red Fish: There´s one more portrait of him with his daughters by Frank Fiske in Sprague´s "Standing Rock Sioux", page 34 According to Sprague Red Fish or Hogan Luta was part Yanktonai and part Santee.
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 4, 2008 16:36:36 GMT -5
This photo is labelled "policemen at Standing Rock". Isn´t it Red Fish standing right in the back row? And who are the others?
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Post by lowdog on Aug 5, 2008 7:11:04 GMT -5
Dietmar,
The man on the sitting on the left of that photograph with Red Fish standing at the back looks remarkably like Gall. He has the same portly figure that Gall developed in later years, and the face is very similar. Having said that, I'm not sure whether Gall was ever a policeman.
shan
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 24, 2008 13:55:28 GMT -5
Btw... I know it´s not exactly the same, but the backdrop of the above group photo reminds me a lot of the so-called "Crazy Horse photo". The flowers, the pillars,... all are painted in a similar style as if they were painted by the same artist. Just an impression... Here is Red Fish photographed by Frank Fiske:
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 5, 2008 11:01:12 GMT -5
...another Fiske photo of Red Fish: Red Fish
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Post by ladonna on Dec 27, 2008 11:30:09 GMT -5
Red Fish 1885 Census Hogan Duta b. 1844 1. Son Nakpaduta- born 1873 2. Daughter Hinbardayewin-She Shed hair born 1877 3. Son Ahinwakana-Chases born 1879 4. Son Hoganska-White Fish born 1884
Nakpaduta- 1831 Spouse: Winyan Waste b. 1836 Granddaughter: Tatiyopa- Her Door b. 1883 1889 Census Chief Hogan Duta-Red Fish aka Mark Red Fish born 1844 died 6/8/1928 Spouse: Anpetu Snawin/Hanhepisnawin- Rattling Night Woman born 1847 died 5/8/1927 Children: 5. Son Nakpaduta- born 1873 6. Daughter Hinbardayewin-She Shed hair born 1877 7. Son Ahinwakana-Chases born 1879 8. Son Hoganska-White Fish born 1884 1890 census Hogan Duta born 1844 Spouse: Hanhepisnawin- Rattling Night Woman born 1847 died 5/8/1927 Children: 1. Son Ahinwakana-Chases born 1879 2. Daughter Hinbardayewin-She Shed hair/Ipardawin-Live born 1877
Census 1895 Mark Red Fish b. 1844 Spouse: Hanhepisnawin- Rattling Night Woman born 1847 died 5/8/1927 Children: 1. Son Ahinwakana-Chases born 1879 2. Daughter Hinbardayewin-She Shed hair/Ipardawin-Live born 1877 Spouse2#: Makpiyasniawin-Rattling Cloud born 1860 1. Daughter: Nakpawastewin-Pretty Ears b. 1880 2. Son Heblaska-Flat Horn b. 1884 3. Daughter : Cajeyatapi- Named b. 1889
Census 1889 Nakpaduta-Red Ears born 1832 Spouse: Winyan waste-Pretty Woman b.1836 1. Daughter: Tatiyopa-Her Door b.1883 Nakpaduta-Red Ears b. 1871 Spouse: Hat Woman b. 1865 Children 1. Daughter: Mary Shell b. 1888 Mark Red Fish-d: born 1844 died 6/8/1928 Hanhepisnawin-Rattling Night Woman born 1847 died 5/8/1927 Children: 1. Daughter: Eva Red Fish 2. Son: Adolph Red Ears b.1873 d 11/12/1932
Robert Red Ear b. 6/18/1908 Adolph Red Ears b.1873 d 11/12/1932 Spouse: Taokmiziwin-Bessie Catch the Enemy b. 1864 d. 9/26/1925 Census 1895 Adolph Red Ears b. 1871 Spouse: Taokmiziwin-Bessie Catch The Enemy b. 1864 d. 9/26/1925 Children: 1. Son: Stands in Track b. 1892 2. Daughter: Walks b. 1894 Nakpaduta-Red Ears b. 1831 Spouse: Winyanwaste-Good Woman b. 1856 Phillip Red Ears b. 1893 Spouse: Sadie Long Chase Children: 1. Daughter: Irene M. b. 8/27/1931 2. Daughter: Catherine b. 7/23/1933
Robert Red Ear b. 6/18/1888 1934 Census James Red Fish b. 1873 Spouse: Louisa Brownotto Children: 1. Son: William b. 1915 2. Son: Charles b. 5/21/1919
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 28, 2009 10:20:31 GMT -5
This is Red Fish photographed by Russel Reid: Red Fish, Yanktonai
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Post by dee on Sept 4, 2010 23:26:29 GMT -5
the papers I have from my mother shows our line comes from the son Mark.
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Post by ladonna on Feb 14, 2012 13:07:58 GMT -5
Red Fish Hogan Luta-Red Fish b. 1844 1st Spouse: Hanhepisnawin Rattling at Night b. 1842 d. 8-4-1927 2nd Spouse: Mapiyasnawin-Rattling Cloud b. 1860
Children Son: Arewanka-Frosted Red Fish b. 1867 Son: Nakpaduta-Red Ears b 1870 Son: Hinborgawin- She Shed Hair b. 1877 Daughter: Wipailawin b. 1878 Son: Hoganska-White Fish b. 1884 Son: Ahiwakuwa-Chased b. 1885 Daughter: Nakpawastewin Pretty Ears b. 1880 Son: Heblaska-Flat Horn b. 1884 Daughter: Chajeyatapi- Named b.1889
Hogan Luta-Red Fish b. 1844 1st Spouse: Hanhepisnawin b. 1842 Children Daughter: Wipailawin b. 1878 Son: Ahiwakuwa-Chased Alfred Red Fish b. 1885 Daughter: Eva Red Fish b. 1897
Hogan Luta-Red Fish b. 1844 2nd Spouse: Mapiyasnawin-Rattling Cloud b. Children Daughter: Nakpawastewin Pretty Ears b. 1880 Son: Heboska-Flat Horn Martin Red Fish b. 1884 Daughter: Chajeyatapi- Named Edith Red Fish b. 1889
Frosted Red Fish b. 1867 1st Spouse: Ikikouwin-Takes back b. 2nd Spouse: Mary b. 1866 3rd Spouse: Annie b. 1890 Children Step-Daughter: Rose High Bear b. Step-Daughter: Clara His War b. Daughter: Willie Red Fish b. 1906 Son: Francis Red Fish b. 1912
Charles Little Chief b. 1895 Spouse: Eva Red Fish b. 4-12-1892 Children Daughter: Germaine Little Chief b. 2-12-1927
Nakpana Red Ears aka Adolph Red Ears b. 1870 Spouse: Tawotonzawin –b.1864 Children: Son: Philip Red Ears b. 1903 Daughter: Louisa Red Ears Daughter: Alma Red Ears b. 2-10-1906 Daughter: Laura Red Ears b. 1892 Son: Robert Red Ears b. 1908
Lousia Red Ears Spouse: Wakankdska
Alma Red Fish b. 2-10- 1906 Spouse: Francis Bear Ghost b. 1896 Children: Daughter: Viola Bear Ghost b. 3-19-1926 Son: Nelson Bear Ghost b. 4-7-1927 Son: Elmer Bear Ghost b. 1929 Daughter: Dorothy Bear Ghost b. 6-1-1933
Daughter: Elizabeth Bear Ghost b. 3-19-1936
Laura Red Ears Spouse: Stretches Himself Children: Son: Levi Stretcheshimself b. 5-7-1913 Son: Johnathan Stretcheshimself b. 8-3-1915 Daughter: Phoebe Stretcheshimself b. 9-1-1917 Daughter: Laura Stretcheshimself b. 2-24-1931
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Post by Dietmar on Apr 17, 2012 10:00:45 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Aug 27, 2012 9:46:08 GMT -5
Red Fish - the Fiske referred to by Dietmar, above?
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 27, 2012 10:16:52 GMT -5
Yes, the same man as in the other pictures of this thread.
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