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Post by Dietmar on May 20, 2015 9:58:40 GMT -5
Definitely before 1890. I would assume mid-1880s, they way White Bird looks below. White Bird and Woman´s Dress from the same series taken by W. R. Cross: White Bird, Oglala Woman´s Dress, Oglala
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Post by Dietmar on May 20, 2015 15:38:10 GMT -5
This page in Stilwell´s catalogue shows that the picture of White Buffalo was actually listed among the Pine Ridge views. Most of these pictures were only copied by Stilwell from W. R. Cross though.
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Post by Dietmar on May 21, 2015 8:59:08 GMT -5
In Stilwell´s catalogue "No. 199. Padani and Modopahi. Yankton A." is listed among the Standing Rock Agency photographs.
Padani means Pawnee/Arikara. I haven´t found Modopahi in Lakota dictionaries.
All photographs with the "white" branches and the wood in the background, as in the Yellow Hair and Red Nose portraits, were taken at Spotted Tail Agency.
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Post by grahamew on May 21, 2015 10:09:51 GMT -5
Winter of 77/78.
Do you think Padani and Modopahi are actual Stilwell photos or Stilwell copies of Cross?
When was Stilwell operating? Early 90s? Cross seems to be around from the late 70s to after 1890. I always thought we had a thread about him, but... no.
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Post by Dietmar on May 21, 2015 10:22:32 GMT -5
It seems to me Stilwell copied from various photographers... mostly from W.R. Cross and George Spencer, from what I´ve seen. We should try to find an original Stilwell photo to open a thread about him... Did he photograph by himself at all? Here it reads as if he was more a trader than a photographer: www.minrec.org/labels.asp?colid=341
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Post by Dietmar on May 21, 2015 15:34:48 GMT -5
Grahame,
actually he is Swift Bear (Mato Luzahan), the Corn band chief (2nd from right).
Quick Bear (Mato Ohanko) was a Wajaje (Wazhazha) leader. There must be a Cross photo of him in the Quick Bear thread.
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Post by grahamew on May 22, 2015 4:38:51 GMT -5
Ah, thanks.
So getting back to Stlwell, I think you're right. He does appear to have been a collector who sold other people's photographs with his stamp on them
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Post by Historian on Sept 25, 2015 9:07:20 GMT -5
Here's Yellow Breast: The interesting thing about the Sicangu Lakota (aka Brule' Lakota) man known commonly as Yellow Breast, is that he is listed in a number of U.S. Government Documents, such as a Treaty signed at Spotted Tail Agency on 23 September 1876, which has him listed under the "Brule Sioux" as "Itecantku-ze, (Yellow Breast,) his X mark, seal." Therefore, if his Lakota name was Itecantku-ze or Ite-cantku-zi, (Ite = face; cantku = breast; zi = yellow), it translates to English as Yellow Breast Face.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 17, 2016 8:57:41 GMT -5
Thanks Grahame, here´s the same picture a bit clearer... but still I can´t say who the man in the stereograph is:
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 17, 2016 9:03:44 GMT -5
another Cross:
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Post by grahamew on Oct 17, 2016 11:52:08 GMT -5
Thanks. I hadn't seen either. I'm guessing the top one is another from the 1877/8 winter;the bottom is obviously later. Mid 80s?
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Post by grahamew on Oct 29, 2016 13:27:05 GMT -5
These have Stilwell mounts, but I believe they are by Cross: Black Teeth's "papoose" Slabee rigged for a dance Lakota woman Portrait of two adults and one child - defintely a later Cross
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 30, 2016 18:03:35 GMT -5
Ocaiehus, Sioux Soldier, Red Cloud Band
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Post by grahamew on Jun 22, 2017 11:56:56 GMT -5
Some more by Cross. A closer view of the Yankton twins Unidentified woman (surely one of the 1877 - 78 photos) A group of unidentified Pie Ridge Indians photographed at Fort Meade - a later Cross. The date this was give was 1906 - 07. Maybe... You'll note the background is the same as the Hot Springs studio photo posted above. It seems that Cross was working from Niobrara from 1878 and then from Hot Springs in the late 1880s where he stayed until his death in 1907
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 22, 2017 16:31:42 GMT -5
This is one of Spotted Tail´s daughters, called "Chimp" in another Cross portrait:
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