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Post by Dietmar on Jan 2, 2023 8:16:27 GMT -5
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on Jan 18, 2023 4:20:29 GMT -5
Yes, I saw. Not sure. That thread refers to Mary as Marie. The documents associated with my grandma's probate state her name is Mary. Marie is my mom's middle name and sprinkled throughout the family treaty circle on both my grandma and grandpa's sides.I have more docs around that as my mom was born at the Pine Ridge Hospital and getting a South Dakota birth certificate was/is a problem but that's another story about asterix nation as researched and referenced by NCAI. I am an ICWA kid so I was only able to get access to the docs late 2020. There may be truth to the story posted I am sure but the probate docs say her name is Mary born around 1866 about the time Crazy Horse was with Black Buffalo Women so along with the family oral stories and this data, Mary could be Crazy Horse and Black Buffalo women's child and was not recognized by the tribe for political/spiritual/cultural/safety reasons. That would also make sense she held status of sorts with Russell and The wild bill show for a bit but I never heard that story from my mom. The Crazy Horse Clan has an open case with the FEDS I understand regarding a land agreement but the hiers must show maternal connection and they are waiting judgement. The argument is crazy horse is not oglala and true but he may have been with an Oglala wakan (black buffalo women) and that's why the Oglala held that slot I think. They require strong oral plus documents. My mom has the documents to Mary and the oral stories but I'm not up for arguing with the tribe or National Archives. Some times I think they (feds) already have the answer/data and let us swim for answers amongst ourselves. National Archives sure making a fuss about documents from back to Obama era. I worked on a fed/state project around student data. In 2009, feds told me all our records are in a salt cave, same time as the National Security memo, but I didn't know what he was talking about. Not like they are going to help me solve a connection like that, especially if I am a great great grandson of Crazy Horse but the stories, data, documents, timelines closely align and I would need more data or proof that Mary is NOT the child of Crazy Horse and Black Buffalo Women's 4th child. Well hidden seed/thread for good reason if true and fits with the search I have done so far. My grandpa told me to play stupid my boy so I didn't run around yelling I was Oglala and after Standing Rock, I saw why. But with, history and future to important not to say something. If I think Indian and realize the settlers knew that Bible inside and out, wanting to helping their new family under genocidal attack, Mary White mantra to keep your blood, DNA, spirit alive, makes allot of sense to me. Overtime, I can see the play on name <white>...Marie White in this case and Marie Russell in the story you mention. I am the only 1 of my moms kids that has a white father. My mom was born and raised in the Pine Ridge area. She was young when they made their way west and 15, filled with scripture when I was conceived. So without pulling things apart much more than they already are, I get a better idea of why I might exist and purpose besides just showing up on the planet. At least this is what I say to myself today with the data and info I have
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Post by redroadgreatplains on Jan 22, 2023 1:41:14 GMT -5
I originated this thread, and Wambli Ahitunwan is perfectly justified in wondering if the topic is dead, after such a long silence! Let me assure everyone it is not! The last three cancer and pandemic-stricken years have delayed, but not killed, my research into the ultimate fate of Black Buffalo Woman and Black Shawl. I have now made two extended visits to the National Archives at Kansas City, MO, and corresponded extensively with anyone who has even a glimmer of insight into this subject. Dietmar has been a huge support, as also Sees His Horse, a present-day descendant of the Crazy Horse family. I have also been in touch with Steve (whose interesting posts are here), and Edward Star, a present-day descendant of the No Water family, as well as the Edward Clown family. Sadly, the descendants have limited information (at least that they are willing to share) and frequently completely clam up if clarifications are requested, or queries raised. Anyway, I have nearly completed my new book, "Back to the Red Road : The Hunt for Crazy Horse's Women". I have posted a little teaser extract from it on my website, Dawnvoyager.com, for anyone interested. The book, expected out this Fall, is full of corroborating documents and all the facts that I have been able to cull, over the years, from myriad sources. I am still open to anyone, especially families with oral histories, who can offer me definitive information about these lost ladies.
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Post by redroadgreatplains on Jan 22, 2023 1:49:45 GMT -5
Steve, from his mother's side, Crazy Horse was Minneconjou. His father was Oglala. So, that might explain it. By the way, all my researches indicate that Blood Quantum is an invention of the settlers, and was never, ever a criterion for tribal membership, before. So, it does not matter if one is 11/64 or 4/4. To be accepted as a member of the tribe, in the old days, all one had to do was practice the tribal customs, truly believe in its values and live the life of the tribe. As I mentioned to you, while the year of Mary's birth may not be an exact fit, it is close enough to be worth investigating further. Black Buffalo Woman's daughter had three brothers as well, and if we can find any link between Mary and any brothers, I believe it would go a long way to establishing the link between Mary and Black Buffalo Woman. Moreover, Mary and Marie could easily be the same person, as names, spellings and ages often underwent magical transformations in the hands of the census scribes! The link Dietmar has posted actually mentions several of the people you have on your family tree.
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on Jan 22, 2023 7:13:14 GMT -5
Yes. I learned of these nuanced census dates and names. The visit with my mom was devastating. In reflection, my life and existence fits the goal or intent-Marry White. So complicated but I see now. Protect all costs. My mom tells the story like it is a cover up and her power, locally, is derived from this understanding it seemed. She was 15 when she eloped with a "White" guy, Elam was his last name I understand. My adoptive Dad, was a Japanese interment camp survivor. So even my birth certificate was post dated to show Don as my dad. My mom tells her story cryptic which makes it easier for me to start to understand. She told me all the clues without telling me, I think that is the secret. She said my half brother, ray (cuny), took a shot at her so there are local pressures to keep things under wraps. I just don't have any more information right now around Mary. This is how political I think it is. I was driver and project director for New Mexico's 2008-2010 College Access Challenge Grant. Tashina Banks-Moore (Dennis Banks Daughter) was my boss for a bit. At first, she was kind and encouraged me to go back to South Dakota but after a bit the words she said to me before leaving her post stuck, "you must not be the one." I had not learned to speak cryptic yet as I did not even suspect any significant connections to leaders and legends such as crazy horse, joseph antoine janis was like the biggest connection to the 1868 treaty I had made to that point. In 2009 there was an executive order issued. In 2011, I finished the work of the grant independently with schematics but before I did, I messaged the Obama Administration and our State's Governor. I got no response and observed a pivot on a National and Local scale. I dissolved the asset in 2014. I made it to IAIA some how. There was movement, "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" got thick. (Side Note-There is a Crazy Horse high end jewelry place here in Santa Fe, I stopped in but didn't recognize names or faces) Then came DAPL and Standing Rock. We scattered again. In October 2020, I made my way to Alliance, NE when I learned these things. It all came together for me in an instant, at least in my mind. I was extremely angry and deeply hurt. My existence was by design and intent- from the intent of my birth off the reservation to my first name Steve- first biblical martyr. It is as if they were trying to make me Jesus like the "White" man teaching so I could lead the tribe to the promise land or something. Those Ghost dances took place around that area. Any ghost dancing or spirituality was on my own and I learned you gotta be careful, lots of energy goes to the sky and visitors stop by:) My mom said to me, I thought your Dad was going to take care of you and help you with your kids. I could not get her to speak up for my son, her grandson. Or the Tribe for that matter but they already did with ICWA in their eyes. They would tell me, go talk to your "White" Father. It was as if I am what the "White" man gets so I pivoted again Nov 4th, 2020 at midnight and leveraged this new found cryptic language I had learned with the local [Treaty Land] cryptic internet/technology along with the * on her birth certificate -> My journey (path) was complete. This ends discussion for me regarding Oyate affairs unless needed. Jan. 6th, 2021 must have been an alternate plan given a condition but we all saw the same thing on TV. I don't know who owns that script. <White> appears to be code for Crazy Horses legacy and that is understandable but it brought harm to my family as we have no connection to culture or understood the "cover up" but what I knew from youth and my mom would always say. That's, ok, no do overs and it is what it is now. I have no regrets and did my best to get to a truth for myself and kids. I only spoke up aggressively to share what I know as I saw that there are confidential document issues floating around between on the news and accept any ownership I may have in stirring the pot with my inquiries or p*vot. All this told me was it was my time to speak up if I am what the "White" Man gets and I would agree in the moment. I saw Trump do his thing and with all this said, it appears to me the "White House" thinks they kept their end of any bargain made around "Marry White" or Crazy Horses legacy. That would be a good deal to keep peace amongst the tribal people I guess, hide a truth around that child and her decedents, grow a "White" child experiment and lets see who is smarter, white way or indian way? I am very much grateful for the help to get this far so we are all at the same spot. If I learn more I will share here and try not to disturb CH legacy but that 4th child would be his greatest legacy as a civil non militant solution to help secure, at least the folks under Mary's umbrella, place. In my humble opinion. They just wanted to keep their lands and be left alone, I don't want them to be alone or the world to see them as bad people. I grew up that way, guilty to be Oglala cuz we killed Custer and I thought we were the bad guys. Circling back from my, cushy "white" life, to the Indian space was even more devastating. Easier just to feel guilty because my/our/your people killed a "White" brother for defending themselves after the mormons cow got loose and a Minneconjouate ate it. It was the Minneconjouate, I believe, who took out a couple of the Janis children-I don't think they are in agreement with the treaty signers so I am not sure what the plan is. If they want to keep CH legacy that way, I understand. I am just not up for learning out here by myself. Easy to say things from the Rez huddled at the kitchen table smoking cigs and gambling. Icing on the cake is my half brother is Kody. So her first 2 kids off the rez were Steve White the Martyr and Kody White The Wild Bill show. From a spirit of crazy horse perspective, that's brilliant for the lost sheep. Growing up not knowing and still attacked, not so much. Unbelievable. Couple images to help support this narrative. Here is how I learned they use the technology to track us, that rez tech got some bling. Here are the primary LLC assets (IP), I created for my business to solve the same mystery we are trying solving now. And here was my pivot from 11/2020 along with the documents that drove "*t" following discovery. Now I am suspicious about the whole birth certificate narrative between Obama and Trump and how long has this been going on, like that ole song. Attachments:
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on Jan 22, 2023 20:08:04 GMT -5
This information came available and as I mentioned to the poster, I transfixed on Mary trying to understand what that meant in the scheme of things in our family tree however this would fit the Mary White to hide identities for protection narrative I created to try and translate. This would go Mary (Marie) <White> [BlueHorse][Saunders/Russell] -> Lema <White> [BlueHorse][Russell/Provost] -> My mom -> Me. That's about where I ended up in 2020 but got some time off over the winter and had some focus time to research again and paths started leading to Black Buffalo Women and Crazy Horse. So we are here.
Steve:
You might want to take at the Pine Ridge Reservation census for 1890, which is the only one for this time period in which each of the tiyospaye or native communities are recorded. In particular, take a look at the Wagluhe Band, located near the agency, which includes Blue Horse's immediate family. You can also take a look at a small band called the Sahiyela Wakpa or Cheyenne Creek Community. In the early reservation period at Pine Ridge, this community was located on Cheyenne Creek, a small tributary that flows west into White Clay Creek, about two miles north of Pine Ridge and maybe a mile south of the Holy Rosary Mission. This small band of 26 families are mostly relatives of Blue Horse's brother Big Mouth. (This band is not to be confused with a later community called Cheyenne River located in the vary northwest corner of the reservation.)
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on Mar 21, 2023 15:35:58 GMT -5
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Post by wambli ahitunwan on May 9, 2023 9:28:06 GMT -5
Is anyone here aware of any verified photos of Black Buffalo Woman?
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on May 12, 2023 4:46:57 GMT -5
Is anyone here aware of any verified photos of Black Buffalo Woman?
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Post by Steve White-Provost Oizumi on May 12, 2023 4:47:57 GMT -5
Is anyone here aware of any verified photos of Black Buffalo Woman? No
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Post by yellowstonelover on Nov 20, 2023 12:18:36 GMT -5
Is anyone here aware of any verified photos of Black Buffalo Woman? No Hi my husband and I recently went to the Crazy Horse monument museum where they show pictures of black buffalo women , black shawl and his last wife Nellie
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Post by nukemm33 on Nov 29, 2023 8:42:12 GMT -5
Yellowstonelover, is this the photo?
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Post by grahamew on Nov 29, 2023 13:06:39 GMT -5
The photo siad to be of Nellie is actually Winnebago woman, isn't it?
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Post by gregor on Dec 5, 2023 9:52:19 GMT -5
The photo siad to be of Nellie is actually Winnebago woman, isn't it? Grahame, I think this "Nellie Larrabee" photo shows the Winnebago woman
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Post by grahamew on Dec 5, 2023 11:27:53 GMT -5
Yup. That's the one I meant. A Hamilton?
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