sons of Jack (Jackson) Red Cloud

[Californian]

I have come across something peculiar on findagrave website: www.findagrave.com/memorial/138676778/jackson-red_cloud - the page pertaining to the burial site of Jack Red Cloud.

Thereon the following children are listed
- James Henry Red Cloud 1877-1960
- Charles Red Cloud 1884-1980
- Suzanne Red Cloud 1891-1947
- James W. Red Cloud 1892-1942 (strange, another James ?)

and lastly
- John Alden Clark 1894-1976 - looking at John Alden Clark's page www.findagrave.com/memorial/14074483/john-alden-clark it states that he was born at Rosebud, Todd County, South Dakota and died in Santa Paula, California.

Can this be true - was there really a son of Jack Red Cloud born at Rosebud and that had a completely different name ? I think its totally off, but of course may be wrong. Can anyone offer some insights ? I attempted to reach the creators of each site inquiring about this supposed connection but did not get any response. I hope it is not some type of a hoax. 

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[Historian]

If John Alden Clark was born in 1894, and Jackson Red Cloud died in 1918, it would mean that John Clark would have been about 24 years old when Jack Red Cloud died. It is therefore quite possible that Jack Red Cloud at some point, may have taken John Alden Clark, who had no blood relationship to Jack Red Cloud, as his Hunka son in a traditional Lakota ceremony. The Lakota term "Hunka" implying a meaning of "a relative by choice."

[Karla]

This information came from this website (American-Tribes.com):


Post by joycelitwhitedove on Jul 7, 2011 at 1:58pm

John Alden Clark (John Red Cloud)
Born on the Rosebud Reservation 9/22/1894
According to Census reports: 1910 Shows Race: Red (Native American) He was 4years old.
Father Jack Red Cloud
Mother Nancy Red Cloud


At the age of 15 Allen W Clark and His Wife Ruth C Walker picked him up and took him to Minnesota. Census report 1910 shows Race: White
This verifies stories my Grandfather has told me. He was on the Reservation until He was 15 with his mother.


U.S. Indian Census Schedules, 1885-1940 for Nancy Red Cloud, John Red Cloud, is no longer listed. That confirms that he is no longer listed as Native American.
Back then they did not have regular adoptions, they just changed there names.

All of the Pow Wow’s we went to he was John Red Cloud. He was a quite, gentle man. The only thing he really wanted was to be Lakota, that wasn’t allowed by the Family or School. He was beaten, told to only speak the white mans tongue.

Grandpa married: Mina Ruth Abbott, June 30 1915, They have 8 children.

Death July 4th 1976

,

Lieutenant William Clark
Officer at Camp Robinson
Events of 1876-1877
Ref. Red Cloud Warrior-Statesman of the Lakota Sioux
Robert W. Larson

And My Grandfather, John Alden Clark, aka John Red Cloud

Grandfather stories, one of them was of his Father Lt William Clark:
He was assigned to deal with Crazy Horse who would surrender to Red Cloud at the Red Cloud Agency. To show respect one of Crazy Horses best warriors gave Lt. Clark a prized war bonnet. This story is written in book above. It is of the Washington peace trip, Young-Man-Afraid’s, Crazy Horse and several others.


Two accounts of Crazy Horses death, one from Lt. Clark, was on good terms longer than any other officer, reported as a terrible accident.


It was hard for Grandpa, as he had 2 families, Red Cloud and the Clarks, so his stories are from both sides, His white Father, Lt. Clark and, His Mother Nancy Red Cloud. He doesn’t have many from Jack Red Cloud, but what he knew from Chief Red Cloud his Grandfather. There are several pictures of a young boy, they say he is unknown, sometimes I wonder if he isn’t my Grandfather John Red Cloud.

Grandpa’s sister:

Dora B Clark aka Leader Red Cloud.
Born: ,May 1891 Pine Ridge SD
Parents: Jack and Nancy Red Cloud

Also Adopted by (Taken)

The Clarks



Married Ernest Biggs, 15 March 1919, Fort Thompson Buffalo SD
Census report shows both Indian.

Had one Child with Homer Clark
Hermania Clark: 1911 , Crow Creek SD, Tribe: Lower Yanktonia Sioux


Death 3 March 1949, Brule County DS
Census SD Death 1905-1955



Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1275/red-cloud-family?page=1#ixzz5VL1VAQn3

[Californian]

Oct 29, 2018 9:01:37 GMT -5 Historian said:

If John Alden Clark was born in 1894, and Jackson Red Cloud died in 1918, it would mean that John Clark would have been about 24 years old when Jack Red Cloud died. It is therefore quite possible that Jack Red Cloud at some point, may have taken John Alden Clark, who had no blood relationship to Jack Red Cloud, as his Hunka son in a traditional Lakota ceremony. The Lakota term "Hunka" implying a meaning of "a relative by choice."

thank you historian, I'll look a bit deeper into this