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Post by jinlian on Sept 26, 2008 9:51:25 GMT -5
Hi Jay, it's Mike Stevens; there are in fact many Black Birds listed in his records, you can found them here: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mikestevens/tiyo2-p/i4.htm#234There's a Black Bird born in 1822 and two born in 1833. Unfortunately, there're only a few details and just about this last one (who may be the individual you're looking for). He died in 1904 and resided in Wounded Knee District.
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Post by jay on Sept 27, 2008 10:18:10 GMT -5
Thanks Mike, for the info as well as the helpful genealogy link. Black Bird appears in the 1899 Heyn photos and is a much younger man than one born in 1833. In addition to the Heyn photos, he appears on a postcard proclaiming him to be a member of Buffalo Bill's WW show. We also find him depicted in a bronze bust done by Adolph Weinman who met black bird at a Cummins Wild West Show, proclaiming him to be "the most stoical Indian I have met". Black Bird also appears on the cover photo and in the book, "Indian Spirit", edited by Michael Oren Fitzgerald.
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 4, 2008 5:52:49 GMT -5
This portrait of Red Cloud by German photographer Frederick Weygold was taken on December, 10th 1909, five month before the old Chief died. He is wearing the medal given to him by President Grant and a war-shirt that appears also in photographs of his son Jack. The book I have on Weygold says this is probably the last photograph taken of Old Red Cloud, when he was already blind, almost deaf and his legs were paralyzed.
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Post by jinlian on Oct 4, 2008 6:23:49 GMT -5
This portrait of Red Cloud by German photographer Frederick Weygold was taken on December, 10th 1909, five month before the old Chief died. Hi Dietmar, did you mean July 10th? The photograph seems to have been taken en plein air, which would have been hard to do during South Dakota winters. Red Cloud was photographed with that same shirt on several occasions, as the previous year (May 1908) by T. Bean: In occasion of his 1907 interview, judge Eli Ricker described the old chief as "stone blind and quite deaf".
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 4, 2008 6:47:51 GMT -5
Oops, right, December 10th 1909 is given as the day Red Cloud died. So far I used my glasses only for car-driving... I´ll put them on when reading from now on...
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Post by jinlian on Oct 4, 2008 6:55:53 GMT -5
How do you know that all the credit goes to my contact lens? Jokes apart, I'd love to know more about this book on Weygold - Dietmar, can you share more information on it?
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 4, 2008 9:59:49 GMT -5
The Weygold book is avaible only in German language, but you can find it for a good price at amazon or several used book shops: Wolfgang Haberland: "Ich, Dakota - Pine Ridge Reservation 1909/Photographien von Frederick Weygold", Dietrich Reimer Verlag, Berlin 1986 The book contains photographs of Red Cloud, Rocky Bear, Short Bull, Iron Tail, Black Heart, Black Hair, Flat Iron, Standing Soldier, George Sword and several other Lakotas at Pine Ridge in 1909.
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Post by juliann on Nov 14, 2008 17:17:59 GMT -5
hi i am looking for some one by this user name "jinlian " I noticed a refrence to Cheif Bull Bear, and my husband is the Grand son of Chief Bull Bear from Pine Ridge? Just wondering ? We would like to know or help with any information ? he had a big family so were not the only one's. My Mother in-law is Bullbear.. You can contact me at juli_harvey@yahoo.com
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Post by jinlian on Nov 15, 2008 8:59:47 GMT -5
Hi Juliann and thanks for your message. Yes, I remember I posted an inquiry about Chief Bull Bear and his family on this board or in the LBH one. If it is fine with you, I can repost it here to share it with other members who may be interested too; otherwise, if you prefer, I can ask privately using the above e-mail message. My mail is : pan_jin_liantw@yahoo.com.sg
Again, many thanks for your help.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2008 16:50:56 GMT -5
I don´t have my Goodyear book at hand, so I don´t know if it´s in there... but here is a rather funny photo of Red Cloud with goggles, umbrella and flag:
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Post by jinlian on Nov 18, 2008 17:20:33 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar,
According to Goodyear, the photograph was taken during a 4th July celebration and he gives John Brennan as the photographer. If my memory is right, Brennan was agent at Pine Ridge...is it likely that he personally took the picture?
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Post by jinlian on Dec 1, 2008 15:31:39 GMT -5
Found this photograph in one of my father's old books: Unfortunately, no date or photographer's name.
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Post by jinlian on Dec 11, 2008 18:13:05 GMT -5
The Smithsonian Archives online have recenty uploaded a new Red Cloud photo (to me at least, never seen it before, not even in Goodyear's book) obviously taken in the same session this one has: File has it as a W. Soule photograph, taken in 1867 - I'm pretty sure the photo was taken more or less a decade later, but what about the photographer? Goodyear in his book says photographer is unknown...
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 12, 2008 1:46:28 GMT -5
Wow,
what a wondeful photo of Red Cloud! It was taken obviuosly outside a studio... I would guess around the time when Morrow took his photograph of him. Is it a Morrow?
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Post by jinlian on Dec 12, 2008 10:11:11 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar, I've no idea...Goodyear says just it was taken at RC Agency in the late 1870s - Morrow was there in late 1876 (when he took the famous stereoview of RC at Fort Robinson - the one I'm posting below), so it's a possibility...the Smithsonian has it as a Soule, but honestly, I don't know much of his activity to confirm or deny it. Here's the famous Morrow stereoview:
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