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Post by wolfgang911 on Mar 13, 2009 18:22:56 GMT -5
nice pictures especially the one of the wagon with sees with his ears with english horse but still the horse painted crowstyle ! do you have a date of that picture and a close up of the 3 in it? (painted for what?) when i see those crow indian haircuts pretty rock and roll with their elvis mane in the middle they always look like they are defying the sioux comme and get our scalps brave man too bad they fought on the 'wrong side'
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Post by jinlian on Mar 14, 2009 4:13:22 GMT -5
nice pictures brave man too bad they fought on the 'wrong side' 'Never judge a man, until you have walked a mile in his moccasins' I think the carriage photograph is a Fred Miller one (if so, it must have been taken between 1898 and 1912), but unfortunately it isn't featured in the Fred Miller: photographer of the Crows book. We can try to ask our friend Henri, who provided the image, if he has a bigger resolution for it to do some close-up. Welcome to the board, by the way.
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Post by jinlian on Mar 14, 2009 5:49:28 GMT -5
do you have a date of that picture and a close up of the 3 in it? (painted for what?) Hi Wolfgang, I'm not sure you meant the horse paint or the paint on the men's face - anyway, the one first from left is wearing the traditional regalia for the Hot Dance. The hand painted on the horse's body is the Hand Star ( Ihkawaleische) , the lower half of the Orion constellation. According to a Crow myth, that's the hand of an evil being, Baaaalichke (the One with A Long Arm) killed by the Twin Heroes. In other versions, the evil being killed is the Red Woman.
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Post by wolfgang911 on Mar 14, 2009 14:05:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanations jinlian I ment both actually, I thought it weird to have horses and faces painted whilst on a a carriage but if they off for a dance.. The Crow are very handsome man, unbelievable, compared to the average selection of tribal pix where there is now and then a photogenic face : plenty coups, curley, little chief, they all look very similar, and magnificent in their young days, proud, same haircut, same expression. About your remark walk in their mocassins, I think it was an addiction to them : www.ghostcowboy.com/the-crow-sioux-fighteven closed in on boring agencies stilll going for sioux scalps or vice versa. As long as the risk of retaliation was not too big then off we go. (yep I'm one of those nostalgics that will never change his mind that the indians are to blame themselves by their internal division for most of what happened to them, and daydreams sometimes of how a great confederation of all plain tribes would have changed history :-). Maybe better disccuing this in another topic. I'm going to read some on that 87 rebellion, did not know about that. Thanks.
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Post by jinlian on Mar 15, 2009 3:53:17 GMT -5
There's a good article on the Sword Bearer "rebelllion":
C.G. Calloway: Sword Bearer and the Crow "outbreak" of 1887, in Montana: the Magazine of Western History, 36,4, (autumn 1986).
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Post by jinlian on Apr 4, 2009 17:30:32 GMT -5
White Man Runs Him and E.S. Godfrey on the Custer battlefield
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Post by jinlian on Apr 17, 2009 1:34:03 GMT -5
Two Fred Miller portraits Old Bear: Coyote-Runs, Plenty Coups' friend who helped him gather his memories for Frank Linderman's book:
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Post by jinlian on May 31, 2009 10:41:13 GMT -5
This is a 1898 Rinehart photograph of "Sharp River, Crow" (from Cowan Auctions' website): Does anyone know anything about this individual? Also, I was wondering if the label shouldn't be read as "Sharp, River Crow" ....
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Post by jinlian on Jun 1, 2009 11:53:58 GMT -5
Crow girl (Goff? - from Cowan's Auctions)
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Post by jinlian on Jun 1, 2009 16:24:52 GMT -5
Another Crow woman (Goff again? - from Cowan's website)
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Post by jinlian on Jun 1, 2009 16:26:55 GMT -5
Two Crow women's portraits by Fred Miller (still from Cowan's):
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Post by grahamew on Jun 2, 2009 1:29:42 GMT -5
From Cowans: Black Hair, by Miller-
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Post by jinlian on Jun 2, 2009 11:03:13 GMT -5
Thanks, I haven't seen any Miller photographs colored so far -it's interesting they made it look as it were taken in a studio...this is the "original" version, for a quick comparison.
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Post by jinlian on Jun 2, 2009 15:45:39 GMT -5
Here's the other famous (it's on the cover of Joe Medicine Crow's From the Heart of Crow Country) Miller photograph of Black Hair with his daughter:
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Post by jinlian on Jun 2, 2009 16:47:19 GMT -5
Curley, Sgt.Daniel Kanipe of 7th Cavalry and his family:
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