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Post by grahamew on Sept 28, 2008 4:10:47 GMT -5
Jessie Iron Bull, by Haynes. From Heritage Auctions: "Noted Indian Iron Bull was banished from the Crow reservation and treated like a Squaw [sic]. " From Liveauctioneers: "Although this individual is wearing a gingham dress, and the hairstyle and earrings of a Crow woman, the broad shoulders and lack of breasts indicate that "she" is instead what the Crow call a bade (ba-day), or half-man/ half-woman."
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Post by jinlian on Sept 28, 2008 4:29:02 GMT -5
Definitely a bate' - I also wondered about the identity when I first saw the picture at Cowan's, but don't remember reading about a Crow man "treated" as a woman among other tribes (or at least, outside their tribal environment). In the American Horse calendar, winter 1848, for instance, it is said that "American Horse's father captured a Crow who was dressed as a woman, but who was found to be an hermaphrodite and killed her." Some time ago I found this at Ebay: "At left is Squaw Jim, a stylish Crow berdache". Forcing the bate' to give up female garments and wearing male clothes and doing male work was one of the hardest task for the Crow agents, who often met the opposition, and the hostility of the whole tribe, even of the recently converted Christians.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 28, 2008 4:31:07 GMT -5
Grahame, thank you so much for the new Old Crow photograph, never seen before. This give me new hopes for an individual Long Elk portrait!
Henri, you mentioned these calendars featuring old photos: is there a chance to get one, and if yes, how? I'd love to get one myself.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 28, 2008 6:39:54 GMT -5
Another portrait of Old Coyote:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 29, 2008 9:34:35 GMT -5
From Henri: White Man Runs Him (it should be early 1900s, right?) More to come in other sections...
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Post by grahamew on Sept 29, 2008 14:19:07 GMT -5
Here are some more photos by Haynes - I don't think we've had them yet! Boy in the Water: White Bull (a photo often and bizarrely mistaken for White Bull the Minicoujou): Little Light - as posted by Jinlian, but I found him on an auction site identified as Me (or Meat) Catchem: Big Medicine - I think we had this picture, but it seems to have disappeared! Finally, Curley at the Little Bighorn Monument - he's said to be the man at the front; clearly the companion photo to the one I posted earlier. 1886?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 29, 2008 15:43:16 GMT -5
Thanks, Grahame, the Big Medicine photo was "buried" in the Half Yellow Face thread. I've seen the name "Me Catchem" on ebay - loved it ! ;D
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Post by grahamew on Sept 30, 2008 1:40:20 GMT -5
The name Meat Catchem is also used on an old cigarette card of this man. If I can find the link, I'll post it. It was one of a series of Haynes pictures. Unfortunately all the others are those we're familiar with, which suggests we may have reached the limit of Haynes' Crow portraits. Roll on the next big auction! Here are smaller versions of the sets, but you'll see what I mean:
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Post by jinlian on Sept 30, 2008 13:57:08 GMT -5
Sent by Henri- this is a famous bate', Finds Them and Kills Them who, according to medicine woman Pretty Shield, fought in the Rosebud battle in 1876, shooting a Lakota and helping the woman warrior The Other Magpie to save their companion and fellow scout Bull Snake. The picture was taken in 1928 by y Major General Hugh L.Scott.
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Post by grahamew on Oct 1, 2008 1:50:24 GMT -5
Crow girl by Goff (at Ft Custer):
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Post by jinlian on Oct 1, 2008 10:23:05 GMT -5
A Crow couple (middle 1880s?):
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Post by jinlian on Oct 1, 2008 11:01:32 GMT -5
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Post by jinlian on Oct 2, 2008 10:23:33 GMT -5
Another couple: Iron Bull and wife, 1873, Washington by A. Gardner
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Post by jinlian on Oct 5, 2008 9:19:21 GMT -5
Here's Alligator Stands Up later in life. Where on earth did that name come from? I've found a linguistic reference stating that "(Old) Alligator" is an approssimative translation of the term Buliksaa Xaaliash (sorry, can't add diacritics when working with this PC), which is "an unseen but feared water monster".
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Post by jinlian on Oct 20, 2008 13:40:10 GMT -5
Again, Hoop on the Forehead Photographed by E. S. Curtis.
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