swa562
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Post by swa562 on Oct 21, 2018 22:58:01 GMT -5
Elizabeth Warren's DNA was 99.9% European. Not even 1% Native American. She said on her mother's side her parents or grandparents were Cherokee and Delaware. Genealogy research can go back two generation even five to ten generations. It could be proven easy by genealogists at least about 5 generations. Well at least she knows the truth. In the 1990s you couldn't prove your ancestry like you can do it nowadays.
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Post by swa562 on Oct 21, 2018 23:00:44 GMT -5
The View thinks she is Native American. Wow.  |
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Post by jones on Jan 16, 2019 21:24:22 GMT -5
Chief John Ross was only 1/8 (12%) Cherokee (and Indian blood), so his living descendants (if there are any) could be his g-g-g-g-g-g-g-grandchildren, and their percentage of Indian blood could very well be minuscule, but would that make their family history insignificant? The same would be true of the sons & daughters of the American Revolution, and yet they wave their banner proudly. www.britannica.com/biography/John-Ross-chief-of-Cherokee-NationJohn Ross, Cherokee name Tsan-Usdi, (born October 3, 1790, Turkeytown, Cherokee territory [near present-day Centre, Alabama |
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Post by Californian on Nov 19, 2020 20:38:36 GMT -5
well, not coming to the defense of Elizabeth Warren and don't care for her whatsoever - the thing about DNA tests is this - it is way overrated and perceptions of supposed DNA tests results totally distorted. All current science can really ascertain is a tiny fraction of ancestry, really a very thin line thereof. MtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) follows the maternal line, that is precisely from one's mother to her mother, and the latter's mother and so forth. It would not have any reference whatsoever to, say, of her mother's father and beyond. Both sexes, men and women carry MtDNA, but only men carry and pass on Y-DNA, the male chromosome. Testing a male on the Y-chromosome again would be following the father, then the father's father and the latter's father but ... it would not cover the father's mother's father or beyond. Therefore someone who had a full blood Native American grandparent - example from a female test object's vantage - maternal grandfather or paternal grandfather and the other grandparents were from a difference race would not indicate anything Native American genetic background. Thus Elizabeth Warren very well could have had Native American ancestors which would not be evident in any DNA testing with the current scientific capabilities. She could, indirectly, provide proof if she would seriously document her genealogy 5-10 generations back, identify the Native American ancestor and then try to follow that ancestor's descendants down to a living person either in an unbroken female-to-female or male-to-male lineage. I all appears complicated and in fact really is. Realistically - blood (genetic) kinship only makes sense for about 4 generations - anything beyond has really very little meaning. Or to state it more simply in numbers - you share ... 50 % genetics with your parents 25 % with your grandparents 12½ % with your great-grandparents - or think of it this one... you have 12½% in common with a specific great-grandparent and a full 87½ % you are something else. What Elizabeth Warren did was despicable - she tried by claiming Native American background to gain advantages over others. On the other hand, Native American peoples generally look at kinship in a far more generous way, by the not infrequent adoptions from not just other tribes but also other ethnicities. Once someone was adopted into a tribe, they were part(!) of the tribe. I hope I have not offended anyone and if I did, it was not intended at all. |
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Post by Californian on Nov 19, 2020 20:49:42 GMT -5
Iron Eyes Cody as well as that British fellow, Grey Owl (real name Archibald Stansfeld Belaney), both were certainly not Indian, but I don't think they claimed to be for the purpose of abuse. Grey Owl in fact deserves a credit for his efforts of conserving wildlife and nature. It certainly is a strange phenomena that someone pretends to belong to another ethnicity, but on the other hand it is not unique either - think of Rachel Anne Dolezal, a Caucasian woman that claimed to be black and even managed to get elected president of the Spokane WA chapter of the NAACP ... He is what gets me. Remember "Iron Eyes Cody"? He said he was Cherokee and Cree. However, he was Italian. Elizabeth Warren kind of did the same thing. View Attachment |
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Post by Californian on Nov 19, 2020 20:51:41 GMT -5
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