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Post by jinlian on Sept 3, 2008 8:27:05 GMT -5
Not at all...to tell you the truth it's the second time in few days that I experience linguistic bloopers here ;D ;D (and please no German, I don't want to torture your beautiful language more than I have done i my past!) Jokes apart, in my opinion there's a slight resemblance (even if Snake's lips appear to be thinner) but the characters looks really too young.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 3, 2008 12:40:31 GMT -5
Is this Spotted Horse on the left?
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Post by jinlian on Sept 4, 2008 3:11:13 GMT -5
Looks it's him - thanks, Grahame, it's a beautiful photo.
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Post by liverpoolannie on Sept 4, 2008 12:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by jinlian on Sept 4, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Annie! Hoxie's book is really great, I'd recommend it to anyone interested in the Apsalooka.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 4, 2008 12:33:13 GMT -5
Speaking of Big Medicine, here's a picture portraying him and Plenty Coups together with senator Dixon as members of the 1905 delegation.
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Post by Jari on Sept 6, 2008 5:18:15 GMT -5
I don´t know how reliable the information is... but I just read at some websites that Half Yellow Face died at Fort Custer in 1879. Hi, In Vern Smalley’s book ”More LITTLE BIGHORN Mysteries” is told about the age of Half Yellof Face: ”There is reason to belive Half Yellow Face was in his sixties. Lt. Bradley recorded that when Col. Gibbon enlisted the 24 Crows on the Stillwater, there were two who were more than sixty who were taken along to give the young fellows the benefit of their advice and encouragement (Edgar I. Stewart, ed., Lieutenant James H. Bradley – The March of the Montana Column). Half Yellow Face usually stayed in camp or near Custer, suggesting he was old. And he died shortly after the battle, 1879, suggesting he might have died of old age. Certainly we must be careful of statements of braggarts claiming that they were the oldest of the six Crows. Half Yellow Face might have been chief of the Crow scouts because of being a tribal elder.” Regards Jari
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Post by jinlian on Sept 7, 2008 3:50:54 GMT -5
Hi Jari and thanks for the additional news. About Half Yellow Face's age: sixty seems to be a little too old to me, as Crows (like many Plain Tribes) generally didn't expose their elders to the dangers of real fighting. I suppose the only way of solving the riddle would be asking to Apsalooka historians: Joseph Medicine Crow (btw, I've checked his From the Heart of Crow Country, but couldn't find any reference to Half Yellow Face) and Barney Old Coyote are the names that come immediatly to my mind, but there may be others as well...
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Post by Jari on Sept 7, 2008 5:38:11 GMT -5
Hi Jari and thanks for the additional news. About Half Yellow Face's age: sixty seems to be a little too old to me, as Crows (like many Plain Tribes) generally didn't expose their elders to the dangers of real fighting. quote] jinlian, I agree with you about sixty years. I just wanted to bring few aspects in the conversation. I'm very interested in Custer's Crow scout's, especially because I've written the first book on the battle of Little Bighorn in Finnish. It was published in 25 june 2008. Regards Jari
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Post by jinlian on Sept 7, 2008 6:45:14 GMT -5
Jari,
congratulations on your book! I hope it will be a success and raise more and more interest in Native American history among Finnish people. Btw, the Little Big Horn College's Crow history and culture page is continuously updated: maybe they will add some details on Half Yellow Face someday.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 7, 2008 12:26:13 GMT -5
Hmmm. So much for that. The Barry photo of the Crow I posted under the impression it might depict Big Belly/Half Yellow Face seems to show Old Bear instead - unless that's another name he was known by. In the second photo, also by Barry, waistcoat, neckerchief, leggings, belt, fur-wrapped braids, moccasin design and blanket are all the same - as is the shape of his feather. I guess that 'hat' he's wearing has the top cut out, as was sometimes the case.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 7, 2008 15:03:25 GMT -5
Uhhmmm...Old Bear is definitely a different man (born in 1853, so the age looks right too) , but I've to collect other info about him. It may have been a scout as well, sure.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 7, 2008 16:28:27 GMT -5
Barry must have taken the first in his studio and I guess the other was taken outside it, just before or after. Or the backdrop's one he took with him to the Crow agency, or wherever he made his Crow photos, since it's different to the one he uses for the Lakota photographed around he same time.
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Post by jinlian on Sept 8, 2008 8:10:38 GMT -5
Not so sure, Grahame...I've at least one Barry photo of a Lakota (Young Man Afraid) with that same painted backdrop: I guess the backdrop was a favourite of his; about the location of the "en plein air" Crow photographs, it may have been both the Crow agency or Fort Custer, where many Crow scout were serving at the time.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 8, 2008 11:12:20 GMT -5
Wish I knew more about the chronology of Barry's work and where he worked.
Getting back to the Crows, I think we should have a thread where we just post Crow pictures and hope someone can either identify them or add some detail!
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