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Post by jasper4 on Sept 1, 2017 14:05:47 GMT -5
biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. Any known descendants for Biduyah or Lozen on res? Yes at mescalero a elder last name Gaines(rip) was known to me also in oklahoma. no rez just alloted land and their names will be left off, due to many reasons.
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Post by jasper4 on Sept 1, 2017 14:16:39 GMT -5
Hello and welcome, If and very if the women in the photo were Chiricahua, it seems the photo was taken like near Fort Bowie landscape. And the only photos known of Chiricahua near Fort Bowie were on march 1886 of the Chiricahua women taken prisonners and the Geronimo's group after the final surrender. But the photos were alaways taken on studios or with military guards. Those women seemed free and the one on the background, more I look more I wonder if she was not Dostheseh (Cochise's wife and mother of Naiche) She and Fun's mother were sent on summer 1886 in Fort Bowie by US Army for triyng to convince their son to surrender. If I am right but I have doubts, the woman in front was Fun's mother Ettshonn. If you notice the plant on rigth top it is a Yucca plant which is more common on New Mexico and Chihuahua deserts, Fort Bowie has more altitude for that plant. There are other types of yucca at Fort Bowie such as yucca spanish dager or Mohave yucca, but for sure is not an study landscape picture as many others, some place around New Mexico maybe. Good point on the background and I will leave it at that.
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Post by jasper4 on Sept 1, 2017 14:56:44 GMT -5
biduyah captured and bandana removed and look of disdain. FYI he was not mexican as some in old mexico say or claim. In the picture of the train I have read the second woman in the back L-R was Lozen also. However, on this site under Geronimo (3 over) down to Dietamar's Picture of the train it says she is Bi-ya-neta, stolen wife of Perico. I also believe Mithio confirmed that. Thanks for your comment. You welcome or been down route on this item. Point there is a photo of Bi-ya-neta taken at fort sam houston in front of tent, which affirms that the woman named as her in the train picture is not her. FYI went to the Geronimo thread and no my cuz did not confirmed it.
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Post by jasper4 on Sept 1, 2017 15:07:04 GMT -5
Ha-o-zinne, Natchez wife, and Bi-ya-neta. There is a person hiding in the tent. Interpreter, Tex Whaley, in a newspaper article, mentions a woman with a cut nose (punishment for adultery), who hid in the tents. Quadrangle, 1886. i contend its lozen herself hiding only the hand or fingers show. Yet may be conjecture for some but I had spoken to some back in 60s at fort sill and at mescalero when I still was young. enjun
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Post by chi1 on Sept 4, 2017 16:52:36 GMT -5
The two ladies outside the tent appears on "Chiricahua Apache Women" thread on the group of women picture that were taken to Fort Bowie, again picture says "women at Fort Bowie" I think picture was taken on Cañon de los Embudos" or Skeleton's, look at the plants, this tent is on Fort Bowie and see the grass and the trees behind the construction. The lady on the right is identified as TAZ-AY-SLATH and the one on the left identified as NES-CHILA on the "Chiricahua Apache Women" thread but both ladies also appears on same thread on a close up as "Chihuahua Chief Wifes" as well as with their kids, gong back to the lady on the rigth it appears that has some kind of deformation on nose but I think is not nose mutilation but harelip which could be caused by sifilis during his mother pregnancy, it was very common during war periods on mexican and american armies and in most wars innocent people are abused.
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Post by ann on Oct 27, 2017 9:31:25 GMT -5
I came across on Youtube a History of the Bylas Western Apaches on the San Carlos Indian Reservation and the first picture of the two women together was on that. So I am taking that information they were Bylas Apaches. No names were given though.
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