John and Lillie Shangrau, circa 1892

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The best I can seem to do is post this link which can be copy pasted into your browser. I don't have it figured out how to use tools that worked ok elsewhere.

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Figure 34 shows the photograph of John and Lillie Shangrau and Figure 35 shows a photograph of Shangrau as he appeared in the Wild West Show program.

theses.gla.ac.uk/3973/2/2002MaddraPhD2.pdf

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There is a photograph in this document of No Neck and it seems clear that this No Neck is the son of Smoke and sister of Calls The Name, "During the exhibition's visit to Manchester there had been a marriage between two of the Lakota Indians travelling with the show. Black Heart, a veteran of the 1887 tour, and Calls the Name, one of the three women who had been prisoners at Fort Sheridan, were married at St Brides Church, Old Trafford on 8 August 1891. [Fig. 481 No Neck, the bride's brother, `gave her away' and the interpreter George Crager acted as best man. On the marriage certificate Calls the Name's father is given as Smoke, which might suggest that she was also related to John Shangrau, who acted as witness. " After a private ceremony attended by employees of the Wild West, a nuptial feast was had in the camp at Whalley Range."

[Dietmar]

Pictures of John and Lillie Shangrau/Shangreaux:



John & Lillie Shangrau 1892



John & Lillie Shangrau



John Shangrau



John Shangrau 1994

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Thank you so much! Those are great! I had not ever seen the "down home" photograph nor the military group photograph. How is it done to post these? By the way, John was a widower when he met Lillie. His wife Mary had died while he was en route to Europe and he had seven children at home. John and Lillie eventually had ten more.

wyoshpo.state.wy.us/westerntrails/museum.html#blanket

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So, who are these men? Is that William "Billy" Garnett on the left?

And who is the man in the middle?

One photograph has John S. Coldwell Jr. (aka Jack Coldwell) and another has Charles Ash Bates.

I have four photos that identify the man on the right as American Horse, so I assume that identity is correct.

[grahamew]

Where's the 1892 photo from, Dietmar?

[Dietmar]

Grahame,

you mean the photo taken at a London Greenhouse, right? I´ve seen it in various publications. The Wyoming State Archives hold a negative, they state it was taken "c. 1893", but I also have seen the date 1892.

[Dietmar]

Georg,

the man with Garnett and American Horse is without doubt allotting surveyor Charles Ash Bates, son of allotting agent at Pine Ridge, Charles H. Bates.
Both of these men were pictured in another group shot with the allottment crew and Garnett´s family.

[grahamew]

Ah, thought it might have been Glasgow. Thanks.

[emilylevine]

Interesting.
I knew a Lily Shangrau here in Lincoln in the 1970s. She was married to John Two Birds Arbuckle.

[tomfc]

Mar 8, 2017 8:02:26 GMT -5 Dietmar said:

Grahame,

you mean the photo taken at a London Greenhouse, right? I´ve seen it in various publications. The Wyoming State Archives hold a negative, they state it was taken "c. 1893", but I also have seen the date 1892.

Bear in mind that in the summer of 1892 Earl's Court hosted an International Horticultural Exhibition alongside Buffalo Bill's Wild West. I believe that's what's happening here.