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Post by cinemo on Nov 16, 2014 5:35:01 GMT -5
Good Morning , Becky
here some additional informations. We have a photo of Lucy in the book : Kiowa County, ( Eads High School Local history Project ) 2010 .
Lucy passed away in 1988.
Magpie ( first wife of George ) died on May 10, 1888.
Kiowa Woman , second wife of George, died on November 25, 1913
Standing Out Woman, third wife of George , died on April 16, 1945
In the book > Halfbreed < you will read, that the woman, who was killed on August 16, 1865 ( Battle of Powder River ) was not Yellow Woman, but Island . I think, this is wrong.
According to Hyde , Dee Brown and some other authors , that woman was Yellow Woman.
By the way, in some sources is stated, that on the same day 24 Cheyennes were killed. This is wrong too . On that day, four warriors and Yellow Woman were killed. These small group was in advance of the main party and was taken by surprise by Pawnee scouts . Later General Connor made a false report to General Dodge.
Greetings from Germany - cinemo
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 16, 2014 6:13:10 GMT -5
Let´s start with some photos of George Bent: George Bent with his wife Magpie George Bent 1889 (edit from a group photo) George Bent (left) 1905 with Big Knee and John White George Bent This is said to be George Bent as a younger man in 1879 when he was interpreter in the trial against some Cheyenne who flew from Indian Territory. I must say I´m not 100 sure he resembles the other portraits though:
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Post by cinemo on Nov 16, 2014 10:10:47 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar,
thank you for sharing these photos. The last photograph, it is said to be George Bent. Unfortunately, that photograph shows not George Bent. This photograph was taken in 1879, this would mean , George was 36 years old in that year . The man in that photo looks much younger than thirty six .
And we can compare this photo with the wedding picture of George and Magpie. That Photo was taken in 1866. On this photograph, George looks different and his physique is wider.
The man on the photograph is not George Bent . I think, the young man was the interpreter for the Northern Cheyenne prisoners in Kansas and I think, he was well known among the Cheyennes. Unfortunately , his name was not mentioned.
cinemo
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Post by grahamew on Nov 16, 2014 14:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2014 10:37:41 GMT -5
If it isn´t George Bent in the 1879 picture, does anyone know who was interpreting for the Cheyenne? Amos Chapman did, but he is hardly the man pictured here. In the meantime... here are are more Bent Family images: George Bent, later in life George Bent´s wife Mary Bent, daughter of George Charlie Bent, brother of George Robert Bent Jesse Bent Charles Bent, grandson of George
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 18, 2014 10:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Nov 18, 2014 13:53:51 GMT -5
Was George unusually tall? If it is him, he towers above the other Cheyenne men in that photograph - unless all the taller men are sitting.
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Post by hreinn on Nov 19, 2014 9:48:11 GMT -5
Becky and Cinemo, thanks for your detailed answers. Regarding Lucy Bent, it was my misunderstanding that she was a daughter of Owl Woman and William Bent.
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Post by cinemo on Nov 21, 2014 13:03:25 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar ,
great work, regarding the photos , thank you very much. The second photograph ( posted November 18 ) shows Standing Out Woman .
„Hreinn“ , willingly done.
„Grahamew“ , George Bent was not unusually tall , but again, the man on that photograph was not George Bent.
This photograph was taken in Oktober, 1879 , at W.H. Lamon`s studio in Lawrence, Kansas. That man ( the interpreter ) was standing in the focus of that photo , while the Cheyennes were sitting next to and in front of him.
Unfortunately, we have no hint or name regarding the interpreter.
Personally , I guess , the interpreter was James Rowland , the mixed blood son of William Rowland. James Rowland already served as an interpreter at Fort Robinson , January , 1879 .
cinemo
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Post by grahamew on Nov 24, 2014 13:50:05 GMT -5
I believe these are all Cosand (or Cossand) and Mosser photos. Date? Depends on who you read. They appear to have been working out of Fort eno and Caldwell, Kansas, possibly in the 1870s but certainly through the 80s. I would guess these date from the early 80s. George Bent Robert Bent Mrs Bent Mary Bent Mary Bent and Anna Charles
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 24, 2014 18:10:19 GMT -5
This is James Rowland, taken from a group photo by Christian Barthelmess: Is he the interpreter with the Cheyenne group?
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Post by grahamew on Nov 25, 2014 2:10:46 GMT -5
So, around 1889?
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 6, 2014 7:44:04 GMT -5
I would agree, Grahame. Rowland appears to be tall as well. Here´s George Bent again, around 1890: George Bent (detail from a group photo)
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Post by cinemo on Dec 13, 2014 11:43:54 GMT -5
The James Rowland photograph.
This photo excerpt is part of a photography by Barthelmess, titled >Indians wait in line for beef<
Unfortunately, it seems, we have no hint, when ( what year ) that photo was taken.
Furthermore , do we have a proof, that the man, likely to be James Rowland, really is J. Rowland ?
And – we old is this man on the photograph ?
Any suggestions ?
cinemo
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Post by grahamew on Dec 13, 2014 13:14:04 GMT -5
Christian Barthelmess took his photos at Fort Keogh from 1888-1898; after that, he was posted overseas before returning to Fort Keogh in 1903 - and he died there the following year. Rowland must be at least 10 years older than in the photo with the Cheyenne prisoners - if that;s him.
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