|
Post by ouroboros on Oct 13, 2016 4:48:27 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by cinemo on Oct 15, 2016 12:28:56 GMT -5
Hello ouroboros ,
in 1849 , Chihuahua governor Triaz placed scalp bounties on the Apaches and he placed especially a bounty of 1000 Pesos for the scalp or head of Chief Gomez. Maybe, there was a rumor in 1850, that Chief Gomez was killed ( I don't know ) . But Chief Gomez was alive . He even countered that bounty on his „crown“ and offered a scalp bounty of 1000 $ per American.
The band of chief Gomez consisted of five local groups with about 400 warriors, his band lived in the Big Bend Country and the Trans-Pecos on both sides of the Rio Grande with his stronghold in the Davis Mountains. Gomez was in control of the Davis Mountains between 1840 to 1860. He was friendly to the Anglos until Glanton's scalp band attacked them . Around 1860, he diasappeared from any record or report. Maybe he was died or he settled down somewhere in Mexico. Howsoever, we don't know .
Some details about chief Gomez you can find in the book : Apaches – A History and Culture Portrait , by James L. Haley
Greetings from Germany - cinemo
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Oct 15, 2016 16:08:15 GMT -5
Thank you Cinemo!
My interest in Gomez grows bigger, and I consulted few books. One interesting information:
According Matthew Babcock (Apache Adaptation to Hispanic Rule, p. 218) Gomez "in August 1835 led a joint Mescalero and Chihene raiding party into central and southern Chihuahua."
Another interesting information: "Pluma was listed as the "old chief" in a document of 1857 (Anonymus 1857). At the same time, some leaders must have been considerably younger: Whiting estimated that Gómez was thirty or thirty-five years old" (Apachean Culture History and Ethnology, p. 44).
|
|
|
Post by Blue Duck on Nov 8, 2016 13:17:28 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Jan 29, 2017 3:39:29 GMT -5
Thanks!
Some interesting informations about Gómez can be found in: Harry W. Basehart, The Resource Holding Corporation among the Mescalero Apache, "Southwestern Journal of Anthropology," Vol. 23, No. 3 (Autumn, 1967), pp. 277-291.
Link to this article on JSTOR: www.jstor.org/stable/3629254?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
|
|
|
Post by Effero on Jan 17, 2019 21:54:25 GMT -5
Chief Gomez was my wife's 4x great grandfather.
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Jan 19, 2019 3:14:04 GMT -5
Chief Gomez was my wife's 4x great grandfather. Effero Thank you for this information. Does your wife know some family tales or memories about her great ancestor? I would be very grateful if you could share this knowledge with us. Of course only if this is possible.
All best, Ouroboros
|
|
|
Post by Ashley on Jan 27, 2019 18:46:41 GMT -5
Hey All,
My family has traced roots to chief Gomez being an ancestor to our family. I would like to connect with those who have traced their roots to him as well. My Gomez family resides here in AZ but a majority is in El Paso.
|
|
|
Post by abel vega on Feb 5, 2019 10:16:20 GMT -5
we are also ancestors to chief gomez we live in texas our grandfather was refugio gomez his father was feliz gomez and then from there we don't know feliz father was after this is chief gomez so we are missing one generation
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Feb 6, 2019 3:01:01 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Shis-Inday Gomez on Feb 18, 2019 23:19:09 GMT -5
Confused by some of the dates ?? The Mescalero Apaches by C. l. Sonnichsen has military records....
|
|
|
Post by Bea Torres on Feb 24, 2019 14:22:02 GMT -5
Hey All, My family has traced roots to chief Gomez being an ancestor to our family. I would like to connect with those who have traced their roots to him as well. My Gomez family resides here in AZ but a majority is in El Paso.
|
|
|
Post by Bea Torres on Feb 24, 2019 14:24:17 GMT -5
I am Gomez El Paso Tx Apacge/Mescalero and Spsniard/Tigua my family settled in the upper Valley west of El Paso Torres is my married name. Facebook Bea Torres
|
|
|
Post by ouroboros on Feb 25, 2019 2:37:01 GMT -5
I have found some interesting information on Chief Gomez from mexican newspapers. One of them is from the year 1842:
Informe de la comandancia general de Chihuahua al ministro de Guerra y Marina. Se notifica que se goza de tranquilidad pública. “Los comanches, que en su retirada tocaron esta demaracacion, fueron totalmente escarmendatos”. Hubo pequeñnos robos que se atribuyeron a los apaches, pero en realidad fueron hechos por ladrones que ya fueron castigados. El capitancillo apache Gómez se une a la persecución de los comanches.
Unfortunately I don't speak spanish and I don't know whether it states that Gomez joined the Comanches or joined Mexican forces to contain Comanche raids. If someone could translate it, I would be grateful.
|
|
|
Post by kingsleybray on Feb 25, 2019 3:56:11 GMT -5
nforme de la comandancia general de Chihuahua al ministro de Guerra y Marina. Se notifica que se goza de tranquilidad pública. “Los comanches, que en su retirada tocaron esta demaracacion, fueron totalmente escarmendatos”. Hubo pequeñnos robos que se atribuyeron a los apaches, pero en realidad fueron hechos por ladrones que ya fueron castigados. El capitancillo apache Gómez se une a la persecución de los comanches.Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/2502/mescalero-chief-gomez#ixzz5gX0iE2rjReport of the general commander of Chihuahua to the Minister of War and Navy. It is reported that public tranquility is enjoyed. "The Comanches, who in their retreat touched this demarcation, were totally scarred." There were small robberies that were attributed to the Apaches, but they were actually made by thieves who were already punished. The captaincillo Apache Gómez joins the persecution of the Comanches. The sense must be: A Comanche war party returning north from Mexico, passed through the jurisdiction of the state of Chihuahua, but was attacked and defeated by a force including Mescalero Apaches led by the 'little captain' Gomez.
|
|