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Post by Dietmar on Aug 16, 2008 7:36:37 GMT -5
Historian George Hyde describes an incident in 1867, when Pawnee scouts under Major Frank North attacked Lakotas, whose presence threatened Union Pacific workers.
Baptiste Bayhille, the halfbreed Pawnee and at the time sergeant of the scout battalion, went after a Lakota and killed him:
One Sioux had lost his horse and was running. Bayhille made after him and shot him through the body. The Sioux grasped the arrow with both hands, pulled it through his body , fitted it to his own bowstring and actually hit and wounded Bayhille with his own arrow. He then walked a few steps and fell dead. Later it was learned that he was the brother of the great Sioux chief Spotted Tail. (see: The Pawnee Indians, page 286)
Does anyone know who this brother of Spotted Tail was?
Thanks.
Dietmar
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Post by Gary on Aug 16, 2008 15:07:30 GMT -5
Grinnell mentions this incident in "Two Great Scouts" (pp.139-140), but does not name warrior who was killed. He mentions that the Indians were "from Red Cloud's people".
Gary
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Post by Gary on Aug 16, 2008 17:20:57 GMT -5
In "Spotted Tail's Folk", Hyde simply says that Spotted Tail's (unnamed) brother was killed by the Pawnees in the mid-1860s.
My next point may be a complete red herring, but the Battiste Good winter count has an entry for 1866-67 recording the death of Beaver's Ears. Battiste Good was a Brule. I wondered if this might record the death of the warrior killed by the Pawnees, whether or not he was Spotted Tail's brother. Can any one add anything to this?
Gary
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Post by liverpoolannie on Aug 16, 2008 20:46:22 GMT -5
Hi Dietmar ! .... This is probably not what you wanted but I found a couple of references in Mari Sandoz’s Crazy Horse Bad Heart Bull - Oglala Historian ..... painted stories of the people on skins ..... brother to Spotted Tailand then ..... Spotted Tail - “Brother” of Conquering Bear !! Annie
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 22, 2008 6:50:40 GMT -5
I read that Spotted Tail had a brother named Blue Around the Face. Was he the one killed by the Pawnee? I guess he had more than one brother, did he?
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Post by jinlian on Aug 22, 2008 15:58:55 GMT -5
It could have been also a brother in the Lakota meaning of the word, i.e. a cousin.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 28, 2008 9:00:07 GMT -5
we don't know an awful lot about Spotted Tail's family. According to William Bordeaux's CONQUERING THE MIGHTY SIOUX, his father was a Sihasapa (Blackfoot Sioux) called Tangle Hair. The Lakota form of the name if I recall right is Ganka. Spotted Tail's father is otherwise almost lost to history - except that he did meet Lt. G. K. Warren at Ft Laramie in 1855 just days after the Blue Water battle. Warren gives his name (obviously a nickname) as The Grease That Turns Around, O-ho-mni-shee.
The Sihasapa connection for Spot's dad could explain the Smoke-Spotted Tail 'brother' relationship that some Lakota people talk about. 'Old' Smoke the Oglala chief (died 1864) is also said to be the son of a Sihasapa by descendants. So maybe Tangle Hair (born 1790s?) and Smoke's father Parts of Body (born 1770s?) were themselves 'brothers' in some sense or other, their relationship being passed on to their sons.
The relationship between Conquering or Scattering Bear and Spotted Tail: probably cousins, that is in Euro-American terminology 'cross-cousins' (parallel cousins are classed as brothers/sisters). Bordeaux gives Spot's mother's name as Brings the Pipe. What works best is if she was a 'sister' to Scattering Bear. If so she belonged to one of the leading families within the Wazhazha band of the Brule tribe. In Hassrick THE SIOUX a descendant states that the father of Red Leaf (brother of Scattering Bear and his successor as Wazhazha chief) was called Fall. I don't know if that means the season or as in 'fall from a horse'. The Warren material confirms that through his young manhood Spotted Tail lived with the Wazhazhas. It was sometime after his return from detention in Ft Leavenworth (1856) and before 1864 that Spotted Tail made some marriages into the Southern Brule division, making his permanent home there.
About the Bad Heart Bull connection: I wasn't aware, must recheck that. However a remark someone makes to anthropologist Scudder Mekeel in his 1931 interviews at Pine Ridge is to the effect that Scattering Bear and the No Water-Black Twin brothers (Oglala) were related as cousins. From He Dog's remarks to Hinman we know that the Bad Heart Bull and No Water families were themselves related.
Kingsley
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Post by jinlian on Aug 28, 2008 9:10:48 GMT -5
Thank you for all the information, Kingsley - I found a reference to Smoke and Spotted Tail's relationship in Sprague's Rosebud Sioux, where it was in fact said that, according to some oral histories, the two of them were hunka brothers. On the other hand, other sources report that Smoke's family was in part Cheyenne. There's quite a tangled knot of information the related thread!
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Post by Gary on Aug 28, 2008 16:55:53 GMT -5
Hi Kingsley
Where is the Scudder Mekeel material? Is any of it available in book form? What's the best way to access it?
Gary
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Post by gorkinoff on Dec 19, 2008 4:49:19 GMT -5
Hey guys...I have only now gotten around to reading 'Spotted Tails Folk' and find it simply amazing! In the beginning it mentions the name of Wapasha (Wapahasha) as being a Sisseton/Santee Chief...But it is well known that he was a Mdewakanton chief-The Mdewakanton/Santee are known as the Mother tribe of the Dakota's (though it is unknown which of the 3 to 5 Chiefs of that name this is)...Any thoughts on this?
It also mentions Mankatozaza as being 'Clear Blue Earth'. It can also be translated as 'Shiny Blue Earth'. One Mdewakanton Chief is known as Mankato 'Blue Earth'...and in my research I have known dakota names to change (such as Brave Bear to Scattering Bear). It is not unlikely that Mankatozaza could have been Mankato or ...
One of the 'Leaders' of the uprising was known as Wakanojanjan 'medicine bottle' (captured with Shakopee) literally translated as 'medicine that shines through'. I have also read that he carried that name through his Uncle (I believe)...and that it was a hereditary name...hmm...just interesting reading!
I grew up in Lower Brule and Crow Creek...I am a descendant of High Bear (Matowakantuya)...anybody know anything about him?...Pictures?...I know there were multiple High Bears and Medicine Bears...I have been checking into them all (to rule out the wrong guys)...
Another thing I have noticed is the name Pampeska (White China)...It is also Kampeska (white Dish-literally 'round white')...There is a Lake called Kampeska (Watertown, South Dakota). It is near Big Stone Lake...The name comes from the clam shells they collected and ate and used the shells as eating utensils (obviously they didn't know about china)...and My Grandmothers Grandmother was born there in 1862 (The year of the Minnesota uprising). They were Neighbors with a family known as Kampeska. These were lower Yanktonnai and were involved in the battle of Whitestone Hill. Her mother's sister (Wakanhditaninwin-'Visible Lightning' Married into the lower Brule tribe. Thomas Tompkins was his name (White man). They had a son named Tommy Tompkins.
The Yanktonnai tribes Migrated with the buffalo (according to an elder in my tribe) between Big Stone Lake and Ft. Pierre in the old days...Just some information...Jon
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 22, 2008 4:55:04 GMT -5
Jon, thanks for all the information. Perhaps it would be good to post further details on the several individuals you mentioned in different threads. There is plenty of information for example about Wabasha and Medicine Bottle. What you said about them is correct, as far as I know. I think Clear Blue Earth is a different man than Mankato. We had much discussion about the different High Bears here: amertribes.proboards77.com/index.cgi?board=miniconjou1&action=display&thread=179I know there was a Brule High Bear, too. I will try to scan a photo of him later. Do you have a portrait of him to post? Best wishes Dietmar
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Post by W. Smoke on May 1, 2009 15:29:31 GMT -5
Old Smoke was Spotted Tail's distance uncle.
Spotted Tail's father was Tangled Hair, he was from the Blackfeet Sioux.
The same band as Old Smoke's father, Body Parts was from!
Contact: W. Smoke
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Post by gorkinoff on Jun 10, 2009 16:59:31 GMT -5
In George Hydes book 'Spotted Tails Folk' one of the footnotes says that Big Partisan was also known as Big Eagle...Anything on Big Partisan?...Anyone?
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