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Post by coloradohistory on Nov 9, 2015 12:04:08 GMT -5
 Above is a carte de visite photograph of "Carrie Spotted Tail, Charlie Spotted Tail, and Mr. & Mrs. Big Horn," as written on back of image by W. G. Chamberlain, Denver, Colorado, circa 1870. Is this the third Spotted Tail, Chief of the Brule? This one of a collection of about 100 Native American photographs, mostly Colorado and New Mexico related, recently acquired by me. I am able to identify a good many of these excellent photographs; however, there are many exceptional images I can't identify. I hope to identify all these images to assist researchers. Please contact me if you are interested in this project. Sincerely, Brian Levine, Crested Butte, Colorado (970) 349-7079 |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 9, 2015 17:13:08 GMT -5
I´m totally convinced that these are not Lakota and not related to the Spotted Tail we know. Maybe Mr. Chamberlain or whoever wanted to make some extra dollars by putting some well known names on the photo. The two men in front look familiar, but I need to through my Ute photos again...
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Post by grahamew on Nov 9, 2015 17:32:21 GMT -5
For a start,there is no woman on the photo. Hair decoration etc would suggest Ute, as would the photographer and location and the style of fringed shirt.
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 9, 2015 17:58:26 GMT -5
The same men appear in this stereograph by Reed & McKenney among other Ute Indians:   |
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Post by coloradohistory on Nov 9, 2015 18:08:01 GMT -5
I must agree with you -- there did not appear to be any women in this photograph; however, I am not an expert in this area so I wasn't going to make any absolute declarative statements. The key may be in the "Charlie" Spotted Tail. None of the Spotted Tail references I found ever mentioned the name "Charlie." Plus, rifles and cartridge belts appear to be a prominent theme with these Utes, as I thought Spotted Tail was a peace-maker.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 10, 2015 2:21:56 GMT -5
I must agree with you -- there did not appear to be any women in this photograph; however, I am not an expert in this area so I wasn't going to make any absolute declarative statements. The key may be in the "Charlie" Spotted Tail. None of the Spotted Tail references I found ever mentioned the name "Charlie." Plus, rifles and cartridge belts appear to be a prominent theme with these Utes, as I thought Spotted Tail was a peace-maker. He was as far as the white were concerned but he was still fighting other tribes, like the Pawnee. |
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 10, 2015 9:47:14 GMT -5
I assume that the man sitting on right (front) in Brian´s photo and the man sitting left in my photo is Ute Chief Antelope aka Wanzito.
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Post by grahamew on Nov 10, 2015 11:46:54 GMT -5
Here they are again:   Antelope by Charles Weitfle, circa 1880 |
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Post by coloradohistory on Nov 10, 2015 12:10:47 GMT -5
Is this the same Chief Antelope who was involved in the Meeker incident at the White River Agency, Colorado?
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Post by Dietmar on Nov 10, 2015 16:33:46 GMT -5
Yes, it is said that Antelope was in the Meeker incident.
The man sitting left in the first post by Brian... he resembles Ute chief Guerro, I think.
In the other two photos he wears a hat. Unfortunately all photos are somewhat blurry, so it´s hard to say 100 percent.
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