Prisoners at San Carlos

[Dietmar]

Another one from Ebay:


Apache Indian Guard & Prisoners, San Carlos Agency, Arizona



Hope this hasn´t been posted before.

[Deleted]

Hi dietmar.
Can you tell me where you found this photo? It would be much appreciated!!!! You say ebay, but where exactly? Thank you for your help!!
redpaint

[Dietmar]

Hi redpaint,

here´s the link to the Ebay site... unfortunately way too expensive for me:

www.ebay.com/itm/c-1880-Identified-Apache-Indian-Guard-Prisoners-San-Carlos-Agency-Arizona-/262091295353?hash=item3d05dbca79

[Deleted]

Hi Dietmar
Thanks for your kind response. The Guy second from left is probably Dutchy. In fact the photagrapher Burge identifies him as "Dutch" He became one of Crooks favorite scouts and there is a well known photo of Dutchy and Crook and Alchese with General Crooks favorite mule named "Apache". In fact, according to history Dutchy shot and killed the the Mexican who shot Capt Crawford even though Capt Crawford was waving a flag of truce. Unfortunately, Dutchy had a short temper, was shipped off East with the rest of the Chiricahuas, and was killed in a drunken row with soldiers, in either Fla or Alabama. As to why Dutchy is in chains in the photo, again he was known to have a "short temper"

[Dietmar]

I wonder if it´s likely that this photo was taken when Dutchy was accused of killing Jacob Ferrin in July 1882, while attacking some teamsters near San Carlos.

I looked for the other names listed on the back of the picture but haven´t found anything yet in books or the internet.

[cinemo]

Probably, that photograph was taken in May or June 1883 . Dutchy surrendered in early May to Davis at San Carlos and was hold in custody . Dutchy was released by Captain Crawford in late June , 1883

cinemo

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Thanks for this small exchange , it's what this site was originally about. I wish the europeans and russians would come back!!!! Please!!!!

[gregor]

Hi redpaint, it's not that we do not want to join the discussions, but for us Europeans/Germans/Russians the sources are limited. Perhaps the well is currently dry. It is now up to the NDN to give new facts or topics into the group, which can be discussed. I am firmly convinced that by and by all come back for the exchange of ideas/thought. CU soon. Gregor

[Deleted]

My freind, Gregor, don't be afraid of some of these "Nde" who post on this site who use terms like "gringo" and "white eye". Why they weren't banned from this site a long time ago baffles me, with their racists attitudes. Ask Deitmar, she is a mod and seems to be impartial, she seems to be a great person. Again to respect someone is good, to be indimidated by these so called "nde" for posting your comments on photos is quite another. Post away! You and I both know the well has not gone dry. By the way, maybe Naiches 2 will weigh in on this photo! Don't be intimidated by NDE.

[naiches2]

Maybe Dutchy

[Deleted]

Thanks for the photos, Naiches. The subject does look similar in all these photos. Thank You!