Post by kingsleybray on Dec 29, 2016 15:01:56 GMT -5
yes, Dietmar, Four Claws is listed under High Bear's Upper Yanktonai Band in the 1885 Rations List for Standing Rock. According to one of Josephine Waggoner's ms lists, High Bear was a chief in the Takini band of Yanktonai.
Here's a drawing from the Sweetwater Ledger collected at Rosebud:
An Arikara drawing, circa 1875:
Old Dog/Long Time Dog, Hidatsa. I can't work out if this is a club with blades or a staff/club
Lakota headmen meeting the Jenney Expedition through the Black Hills in 1875. The man the left seems to have a long-handled staff. I don't see any blades on this one, though they could be turned inwards (which wouldn't be my preferred way of holding it!):
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Thanks for the photos ... both the weapon and the historical pictures. The historical photos have great signigicance.
There were a wide variety of clubs, including the well known "gunstock club" used by various tribes. the best example of the use of a gunstock club is one of the early scenes in The Last Of The Mohicans. Thats not a Lakota movie, of course.
The knife club does not strike me as a particularly good idea for a battlefield weapon. I think that the normal Lakota weapons were probably a lot more effective. But it is interesting to see that the warriors were constantly trying out new ideas.
dT, I agree with your statement, "I think that the normal Lakota weapons were probably a lot more effective." I have been searching our property for likely specimens (we are on ground where rocks were transported from elsewhere and dropped her by retreating glaciers) and have found quite a few that fit the bill for the Lakota war club. A symmetrical rock fitted to a long and limber wooden handle and lashed in place by wet rawhide seems to me to be a highly effective weapon. I will report further when (and if) I have managed to duplicate the Lakota manufacturing techniques.
very nice craftsmanship with those clubs. They are a very lethal and silent weapon.
I used to go to Africa. the young warriors there have a traditional weapon that is very similar. they used to practice with it when they were teenagers ... for hours and hours. they got so good that at a distance of about 40 yards they could knock a small bird out of the branches of a tree. that type of weapon can fo a lot of damage.
I have fashioned a war club with a very nice metamorphic rock found in my yard attached to a long madrone wood handle by "white man rawhide" -- duct tape. It's quite crude and only took me a few minutes to assemble it, but the rock is solidly affixed to the handle and would be a very persuasive weapon in most any hands.
Going back - way back - to the Moccasin Top club photographed by Elliott and Fry, this would appear to be the same one (well, it has the serpent design - that much I can make out) in an Elliott and Fry studio photo taken during the same Wild West Show visit. Pretty sure it's not Moccasin Top who holds it this time. Anyone have a clearer copy?
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One of two photos taken, I guess, seconds or minutes apart, of Cody's Lakota and Pawnee Indians on Staten Island (1886?). That's Moccasin Top over to the left, near the back. If you look very carefully, you can see what appear to be three blades behind the younger Indian's (the Nelson boy, isn't it?) head. The alternate photo doesn't show the blades, but you can see what I think is the top of the serpent head on the knife club:
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