Mystery photos - group and individual...

[grahamew]

A Wild West Show type of group with someone hoping to cash in by adding the famous names





This one was labelled Chricahua Apache...


Possibly Black Hawk of the Iowa, Shindler?


Little Drum, Winnebago


Crow Indians with priest




Not only is it unlikely, but the short hair pipe necklace suggests a photo taken in the 1870s or 60s


An Upper Brule from Ft Randall circa 1890


Guess this ianother Wild West Show photo...








Described as Warm Springs Indians, they look to me like a group on the fringe of the Plains - Ojibwe or Santee, maybe or further east (assuming they come from the same tribe...) Look at the ball head club the man at the right is holding

[philrob]

Graham
you certainly have a knack of digging up obscure photos. The "Chiricahua" could well be a Jicarrilla man and the one labelled Payepot (who was a Plains Cree chief)looks like a William Soule pic -definitely southern plains.

[grahamew]

I did wonder - Chiricahua/Jicarilla... To someone who didn't know, it sounds similar.

Here are the Crow and Winnebago pictures blown up and an extra one of a Lakota family, dating, I guess, from the 1890s, if not later:


I wonder if the priest second from right is the same as the man in the photo below:

[Dietmar]

Grahame,

the last photo you posted... the man with bonnet and family... not absolutely sure, but he could be George Little Wound.

I´ve seen the "Chiricahua" photo before... I think he is Yankton (Red Dog?). I´ll have to look...

The picture of Chief Payepot is an edit of a D.F. Barry photo of Black Owl, Gros Ventre (Hidatsa).

[Dietmar]

This photo is published in "Remember Your Realtives - Yankton Sioux Images, 1865 to 1915, Volume 2" by Sanson-Flood/Bernie/Bruguier as:

"Red Dog holding .44 caliber repeating rifle.
Date and Photographer Unknown"
(Smithsonian Institution)

[Dietmar]

According to an Ebay auction this photo shows Bloody Hand, allegedly a Ree (Arikara)scout of Custer:

"c1880 BLOODY HAND SCARCE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN SCOUT w GENERAL CUSTER MINNESOTA"

[grahamew]

Here's another Ree scout photo, same typeface on the framing card, though a different company. Same location, so same photographer, Wonder if the photographer is Morrow? He was still on the scene until 1881 or 1882, wasn't he?

"Medicine Wolf and Lover." The date given for this one was 1875:

And... according to this www.friendslittlebighorn.com/markvandelogtarikarascouts0612.pdf Bloody Hand was indeed a scout and an alias for Enemy Heart. LOver and Medicine Wold are also referenced.

Thanks for the identification of the other man as a Yankton.

[grahamew]

Black Owl! Thought I'd seen him somewhere before! Flipped image too!

[grahamew]

Some more - recent additions to Heritage Auctions:


Enlisting scouts. No date or location (early-mid 80s?):



A late Cross photo taken at Rosebud:



Lakota group, taken around the time of Wounded Knee. The man second from left is said to be Plenty Horses. Not sure, myself. The man in white is the Oglala Spotted Elk:



Not from Heitage: "Old Chief Can't Laugh":



Also not from Heritage:







Mark Red Star and family (and Henry Lone Bear?) taken in London, presumably with Cody's Wild West Show.



Here's a photo I already had on file showing three of the men in the Oglala photo:

[Dietmar]

Thanks Grahame!

Richard (Dick) Spotted Elk, son of Chief Spotted Elk (aka Big Foot), is indeed the man 6th from left.
The way he looks I dont think this was taken around 1890, but more likely years later... I would guess around 1900.
Wonderful picture though.

I can´t see Plenty Horses in the photo.

[Dietmar]

Samuel (Sam) Lone Bear is shown with Mark Red Star in the Wild West photo.

[grahamew]

Of course!

I'm with you on this not being Plenty Horses, but... but... suppose it is ten years on and we're looking at some thirty with his face filled out a little. Long shot, I know. I wonder who the older man is. I kind of assume that with the bonnet and the central position in two photographs that he must be someone significant.

Here's another photo said to be Plenty Horses...



If it is him, it's clearly well after the Ghost Dance period

[grahamew]

I suppose it would help if we could identify the fort/post in the first photo. Fort Reno, maybe, with Arapahos and Cheyennes?