To whom can provide me the information, I am trying to figure out if there was a Chief Thunderface of the Apache tribe. I have been trying so hard to search for information on this, but can't seem to come across any. I know I am Native American, but it has been speculated that I may have been Sioux. If there is any information on a Chief Thunderface I would appreciate anything, he was my great, or great great grandfather. Thank you.
Chief Thunderface was of the Sioux tribe. He was a grandson of Sitting Bull. There are plenty of results in a simple google search.
WE WERE NATIVE BEFORE AMERICA.THE HISTORY OF THE APACHE TRIBES ARE ON BOTH SIDES BEFORE BORDERS.AND I READ DEFFERENT THINGS ABOUT SAME NATIVES SUCH AS CHIEF GERONIMO BEING FROM A TRIBE SOUTH OF THE RIO GRANDE.OF WICH THERE WERE OTHER CLANS ALSO.I THANK MY CREATOR THAT I AM STILL NOMADIC!AND LIVE ON ONE WORLD.MODERN NATIVE CHIEF CHUMA.HAPPY HUNTING AND LET US NOT LET OUR EGO'S GET IN THE WAY OF OUR SEARCHING.WE ARE MANY AND WE KNOW WHO WE ARE.LOVE-OUT XOXOXO
Yes, it will be hard to find the records of my people.
One many fled Mexico through the Robledo mountains in New Mexico
Two many married into Yaqui Families from SONORA and now are in the Yavapia Red
Three, many fled from both Mexico and US into so cal deserts
Also although many young women and girls were taken by the mexicans a good amount were not from my band. I have a great grandfather who was know for raiding other band for their women and children such as from White Mountains and so on.
DNA matching will show Na-Dene markers but most from my band will show up as central American due to the databases test inputs locations... but although it comes up Central American the DNA matches with most other Apache Bands and not from the more southern native tribes.
By 1880 my band numbered close to 25,000
True we were in Janis but the truth is we stretched from warm spring, NM to Sonora, Mex.we have records showing our travels from CA, Az, NM to as far south as San Luis Potosí, Mex
As for records, we never kept then in a European structure but there are still some.
My suggestion is to upload your DNA test to GEDMatch.com (genesis) and start building a DNA family archieve.
A matriarch of my family lived most of her childhood in the 1880s as a slave/servant at the hacienda of a Mexican family near the city of Chihuahua, Mexico. She was recognized as one amongst numerous Apache (often referred to as "india salvaje" "niña salvaje" or "niña matagente" by Mexicans) children (mostly girls) taken captive after battles between the Mexican military and Apache warriors. She was given the name Romalia by the Catholic Church and just prior to her being married in 1894. I am trying to figure out what band of Apache she might have derived from. It makes sense that she was of the Nednhi band considering their large numeric presence in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. The dates, however, also suggest that she might have been of another Chiricahua band, one of numerous women and girls who were taken captive after battles such as that at Tres Castillos in 1880. Can anyone recommend any sources that might be useful for my research? Moreover, is there much of a Nednhi presence at any of the Apache "reservations" in the U.S.? It's astonishing to me how traces of the Nednhi are so difficult to locate either in the U.S. or in Mexico.
Manuel, see this post on the Mezcalero "Mescalero" Apache Section : Tsebekinéndé ("Rock House People", often called by Spanish and Americans Aguas Nuevas or Norteños, have had their center around Nuevo Casas Grandes in Chihuahua, wandering north toward the Sacramento Mountains and south to Agua Nueva 60 miles north of Chihuahua City, also on both sides of the Rio Grande between El Paso and Ojinaga, Chihuahua; some local groups lived in the Guadalupe and Limpia Mountains)
The full range of territory of the Apaches was Huge! Although many have yet to come forth to register and many are still in hiding. My Grandmother was never scared to say she was Apache, but then her father on the other hand never told her younger half brother that he was. To search on your family lineage you would best be served to do a DNA Test and then Focus on your family tree. DNA will not tell you what band you are from. Apache Nation is a different structure then most are aware of. The main branches of the Apache tribes also have sub-Bands and Sub-Sub-Bands. It will take a lot of research to find your lineage. Now I highly recommend a DNA Test because you can start matching your DNA to other Known Apaches to help focus your research of your family Lineage. But for those trying to register with a tribe this get even more complicated. there is a legal structure that the tribes have to follow regardless if you are related or not.
It hurts my soul that all the Apache tribes don't care or act like their better than the misplaced Apache descendents that were kidnapped or lost in BATTLE during the 1800 's. Why wouldn't the APACHE tribes want these descents back ? BECAUSE not they are mixed Doesn't the APACHE PEOPLES have love or compassion for these lost descendents Please answer BECAUSE APACHE GIRL REALLY needs to know
A little curio on the edge. Below is a slightly rough German map (Arizona and New Mexico) from 1852. Marked are the areas of the Chiricahuas (Bedonkohe / Gilenos, Chiricahua and Warm Springs / Chihenne). A little bit inaccurate. But only slightly.
I couldn't post a map, but copy the attached link to a net navigator and you will see a the map developed by Manuel Orozco y Berra (1816-1881) "Carta etnográfica de México" and you will see the Apache distribution at those times, it was before the Mesilla or Gadsden Purchase, is not specific to which bands it just says Apache (ethnically distribution), it doesn't include Texas because it was not part of Mexico any more. Also you will see Tobosos and Irritila which were linked to the Ataphascan and very surely Lipan and/or Guhlkahéndé