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Post by mrchris84 on Apr 4, 2014 13:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by dT on Apr 23, 2014 12:36:50 GMT -5
first one .... Hmmmmmmmmmm ...those faces could be Crow or Lakota maybe. You might want to check into the identity of the white man. He was most likely an ethnographer or photographer. If you track him down, you might get somewhere. Look into the name Curtis, but I am not promising it is him.
dT
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Post by grahamew on Apr 23, 2014 13:05:45 GMT -5
They're Pawnee. I'm guessing Oklahoma Pawnee from the mid 1880s, taking part in some kind of Wild West Show. The centre-fringed moccasins had, I guess, spread from tribes they'd come into contact with, though I'd normally associate them with the Kiowa and Comanche.
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Post by dT on Apr 30, 2014 18:23:51 GMT -5
grahamew ... can I ask you? how did you recognize Pawnee?
dT
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Post by grahamew on May 1, 2014 16:56:17 GMT -5
When I first saw them, I thought the moccasins signified Comanche or Kiowa or some tribe, like the Kichai, who lived nearby. I assume the central moccasin fringe originated with the Kiowa and spread outwards. I've seen pairs like this belonging to Southern Cheyenne, Osage and Pawnee and I'm not au fait with moccasin style and construction enough to be able to distinguish the particular types. The short feather and hair decorations of some of the men reminded me of the type of decoration I've seen on photos of Southern Cheyenne, Kiowa, Comanche and Kichai - but also seen on a group of Pawnee that toured with Cody in the mid 1880s, by this time, looking very different to the Pawnee photographed by Jackson 20 years earlier. The real killer though was a message on PlainsIndianSeminartwo that posted this picture: Unidentified and Old Wichita (aka Little Eagle):
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Post by dT on May 23, 2014 17:34:01 GMT -5
very interesting - thank you!!
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