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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 1, 2014 22:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 1, 2014 22:07:56 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not sure if the image went through?
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 1, 2014 22:27:10 GMT -5
I think the photo link is working now. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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Post by dT on Apr 3, 2014 12:05:37 GMT -5
cannot see anything.
i still suggest that you find out what Chiquito actually DID to earn the MOH.
THAT is what would make him happy if he was here now ... he would be pleased if you thought about his actions and how that might affect your life!
all the best,
dT
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 3, 2014 15:23:28 GMT -5
Hello, Chiquito and 10 other Apache scouts under Crook received the MOH for gallant actions against "hostile" Apaches during the winter of 1872-1873. The citation does not go into detail about what the "gallantry" was specifically, but the very fact that Chiquito and the others were willing to track their fellow Apache for the US Army in a desire for peace, and knowing it was not always looked at positively by their fellow tribesmen is a gallant action. Their actions for Crook during that winter allowed Crook to succeed as he did. Thanks
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Post by dT on Apr 3, 2014 15:42:52 GMT -5
Mystic - OK thanks. I've got Crook's book and it has been sitting on my bookshelf waiting for me to read it. I will see if it specifically mentions Chiquito and what he did. If it says something, I will post. I am assuming you know why Crook used Chiqito on the winter time - there was a method behind the strategy used by the US Cavalry against the White Mountain "hostiles". It was not nice, but then few things done back then were ever nice.
dT
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Post by mystic3335 on Apr 3, 2014 15:59:09 GMT -5
Hi dT, Yes, very few things done back then were nice. Sorry you can't see the image through the link I have posted when I started the thread ? The more research I do on my image, I believe it is Capitan Chiquito who's Apache band of mostly women and children were massacred in the Camp Grant massacre while Capitan Chiquito and most of the men were out of camp. Chiquito himself lost two wives in the massacre. The image I have of him is with a wife he married later. Later he was accused of( falsely) of hiding a kinsman of his the well known Apache Kid. Chiquito had no information of his whereabouts, yet the army did not believe him and he and his family were sent to Mount Vernon Barracks in Alabama. I believe the MOH recipient Chiquito is a different individual. I'm still doing research, but I'm pretty certain from at least two other sources that my image is of Apache Chief Capitan Chiquito connected to the Camp Grant massacre.
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Post by dT on Apr 3, 2014 20:39:02 GMT -5
mystic ... thank you. its good to know there were two Chiquito's. :-)
dT
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Post by angellica100 on Jun 1, 2017 18:11:52 GMT -5
Hello.. I am doing my family research..I am related to Chiquito, I found one photo through Ancestry.com.. but I cannot find anymore information on him or if there is more than one Chiquito.. I have him as the father of Juan Chiquito.. which is my Grandmothers father. I have Juan Chiquito married to about 4 woman now.. I am full Native American.. Northern tribe Hidatsa/Mandan on my moms side and my father is Navajo from the Thoreau, NM area.. I am all over the place..lol. Any help is appreciated! A.
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Post by jasper4 on Jun 6, 2017 12:50:02 GMT -5
In 1872 Lieutenant Colonel George Crook was sent to the Arizona Territory to bring an end to years of warfare with the Indians by negotiating peace and moving the Indian tribes to reservations. By fall he had brought relative peace after crafting a treaty with Cochise. In November he began a winter campaign to make life miserable for those renegade Indians who still chose to fight. Under pressure from cavalry patrols, he knew they would be forced to retreat into the mountains to try to survive the snow and low temperatures. The target area was the Tonto Basin where Western Apache bands and Yavapais had been raiding and eluding troops for several years. He hoped that when the women and children began to suffer, the men would surrender without fighting. Believing it would take Apaches to find Apaches, Crook hired Apache warriors who wanted peace to help his men find those who wanted war. Chiquito was one of ten Indian Scouts who guided Crook's columns during the winter campaign of 1872-73 that was cited for "Gallant conduct during the campaigns and engagements with Apaches." Twelve members of the U.S. Cavalry also earned Medals of Honor during this series of engagements.
Chiquito was a petty chief of the Apaches, and Chief of the Pinal Coyotero.
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Post by Pete (dT) on Jun 6, 2017 22:13:05 GMT -5
Jasper4
that is why I was careful about what I said here. Crook starved the Apache families during the winter when the snow was deep. They were forced to starve to death in the cold, or to fight with little ammo available. It was a cruel strategy of war. I dont know exactly what Chiquito did to receive the MOH. In my opinion, Crook's actions were brutal.
Like I said, i need to sit down and read Crook's books.
Pete (dT)
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Post by Ebby2 on May 12, 2021 23:05:52 GMT -5
Hello.. I am doing my family research..I am related to Chiquito, I found one photo through Ancestry.com.. but I cannot find anymore information on him or if there is more than one Chiquito.. I have him as the father of Juan Chiquito.. which is my Grandmothers father. I have Juan Chiquito married to about 4 woman now.. I am full Native American.. Northern tribe Hidatsa/Mandan on my moms side and my father is Navajo from the Thoreau, NM area.. I am all over the place..lol. Any help is appreciated! A. |
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Post by Ebby2 on May 12, 2021 23:09:20 GMT -5
Hi Angelica, curious, do you have a DNA test done? If so have you uploaded your results to GedMatch.com (its free to do so). It may be possible that we are related. I would like to compare our DNA, and family trees. EbbyOjeda@Gmail.com
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