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Post by tomfc on Mar 2, 2018 10:52:58 GMT -5
Wow. Thanks for posting these Wow indeed!
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Post by grahamew on Mar 2, 2018 11:53:15 GMT -5
Here's the full photo: Is that Black Elk in the photo with Picket Pin? I reckon these Elliott and Fry photos are from the same session and I'd say it's not Black Elk
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Post by tomfc on Mar 2, 2018 12:01:58 GMT -5
My first thought was that it was Black Elk but I'm not so sure now.
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Post by markb on Apr 26, 2018 8:05:45 GMT -5
Edward Warren Sawyer (1876-1932) was an American sculptor trained at the Art Institute of Chicago. He traveled to Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Montana in 1912, his third trip west. His purpose was to create relief sculptures of Native Americans. Picket Pin was one of his 39 subjects.
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Post by grahamew on Jul 29, 2020 5:27:07 GMT -5
Supposedly taken in 1910 next to an Atchison-Topka-Santa Fe train. Dietmar has identified the man with the knife club as Picket Pin:
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 29, 2020 6:28:45 GMT -5
the other man sitting at the front with Picket Pin (opposite end of the line) is Iron Tail
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Post by tomfc on Jul 29, 2020 8:22:55 GMT -5
the other man sitting at the front with Picket Pin (opposite end of the line) is Iron Tail I agree, that's Iron Tail all right. I recognise Iron Tail as he was the 'Principal Chief of the Sioux' during Buffalo Bill's 1904 tour of Great Britain. Iron Tail is sometimes confused with Iron Hail, which is of course wrong. Iron Tail was injured in the train crash in which Luther Standing Bear was also hurt and I believe that he also lost his son in that crash. Unlike Standing Bear, he was able to continue on the tour but was walking with the aid of a stick for the first few weeks in England. I have found it very hard to find anything about Iron Tail's early career, before he became a show Indian, anyone know anything?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 29, 2020 8:38:16 GMT -5
Iron Tail was one of the sons of Little Hawk, half brother to Crazy Horse's father Worm. So he would have called Crazy Horse his elder brother in the Lakota kinship scheme. Interesting.
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Post by tomfc on Jul 29, 2020 9:21:29 GMT -5
Iron Tail was one of the sons of Little Hawk, half brother to Crazy Horse's father Worm. So he would have called Crazy Horse his elder brother in the Lakota kinship scheme. Interesting. That's really interesting - it funny how these guys all seem to be related to one another. Do you happen to know if Iron Tail was at the LBH or any of the other battles? Was he a hostile or a loafer, or somewhere in between?
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Post by kingsleybray on Jul 29, 2020 9:41:27 GMT -5
I'm sure that Iron Tail must have been in the camp at the Little Bighorn. His family all was, and in 1876 he was a youth in his late teens, still living in the lodge of his father Little Hawk. In fact I have to opine that he is the second named adult male in Little Hawk's family in the Crazy Horse Surrender Ledger (data taken May 1877), bearing the lewd nickname Snatch Stealer, presumably a reference to his skirt-chasing propensities as a young fellow.
Iron Tail's older brother Black White Man was killed in the Custer fight.
The age statistics on Oglala warrior society membership, tabled in Clark Wissler's classic monograph, indicate that in and about 1876 Iron Tail was a member of the Tokala, and possibly the Crow Owner societies.
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