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Post by jinlian on Aug 22, 2008 3:30:16 GMT -5
Charlie asked me to post this picture of Ice: Personally speaking, the man seems to look much like the one in the first picture - Dietmar, may I ask you if this same image is recorded in any archive? About the second of Charlie's images: I don't think the man is either White Bull or Ice, but unfortunately, I'm not able to identify him...
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 22, 2008 6:31:28 GMT -5
Charlie and Jin,
thanks for this wonderful photo. It is clearly the Cheyenne White Bull or Ice. I´ll have to look for the photographer, but at first look I would say it could be a Christian Bathelmess photo.
I think we need an own thread for White Bull, the Cheyenne. I´ll post the photos we already have there...
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Post by jinlian on Aug 26, 2008 7:55:03 GMT -5
Here are two pictures alleged pictures of the Miniconjou White Bull, the first one taken from Utley's The Lance and the Shield, and the second from Osprey's Warriors at Little Big Horn, this last one sent by Charlie. Don't know why, but my gut feeling tells me these pictures look to have been taken in the 1870s and therefore the individual portraited would be too old to be White Bull, at the time a young warrior. I'd be glad to be proved mistaken, anyway.
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 26, 2008 8:27:21 GMT -5
jinlian,
your second photo, immediately above, is of a Sans Arc headman named White Bull, not the Miniconjou.
Kingsley
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Post by jinlian on Aug 26, 2008 9:15:42 GMT -5
Thank you Kingsley and it's great to see you back. I was almost sure I had seen this picture elsewhere.
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Post by Dietmar on Aug 26, 2008 9:32:51 GMT -5
There has been a discussion about the photographs of this Sans Arc on the old boards. We will upload these posts at our main site later.
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Post by grahamew on Aug 26, 2008 11:29:56 GMT -5
The first man is also the Sans Arc White Bull, but a afew years older. The secons photo is by Morrow, I believe; the second is credited to Cross, who continued to take photographs of Lakota beyond the late 70s/early 80s period that he's more generally known for.
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Post by charlie on Aug 27, 2008 1:56:37 GMT -5
It's incredible! So, we don't have photos in young age of the great WHITE BULL (Minneconjou) but only when he was very old!!! Still a curiosity: his indian's name is PTE SAN HUNKA, but the correct translation is not TATANKA SKA? Can anyone added informations about White Bull (Sans Arc)? Thanks.
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Post by grahamew on Sept 29, 2008 1:59:37 GMT -5
White Bull at Ft Meade with soldiers from the 6th Cavalry, 1906:
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Post by Diane Merkel on Oct 27, 2008 10:27:36 GMT -5
From Charlie: "A new interesting image of the great White Bull taken in 1926 by G.J. McMurry:"
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Post by Dietmar on Oct 27, 2008 14:41:11 GMT -5
Wonderful photo, Charlie!
As far as I can see it is indeed White Bull, nephew of Sitting Bull.
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Post by charlie on Oct 28, 2008 6:18:59 GMT -5
Dietmar: the image is taken from the book "Sitting Bull: the champion of the Sioux" of Stanley Vestal. Unfortunately, there are no images of him in his youth...I like too much this chief: he was a great and brave warrior, always in first row in the battle!
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Post by jeroen on Sept 6, 2009 3:26:01 GMT -5
I remember having seen this one before, but don't recall where... just post it here to be sure:
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Post by Dietmar on Sept 6, 2009 16:06:03 GMT -5
Jeroen´s photo was taken by Edward A. Milligan. There is a similar portrait of One Bull taken at the same session in Milligan´s "Dakota Twilight".
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Post by jeroen on Jan 7, 2010 5:14:26 GMT -5
I am not 100% sure this is the Minneconjou White Bull... but it might be him:
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