Wakalapi
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Post by Wakalapi on Jun 2, 2008 13:21:31 GMT -5
The North Dakota Highway Patrol symbol is a profile of Marcellus Red Tomahawk. The North Dakota Highway Patrol officially adopted the profile of Marcellus Red Tomahawk as the patrol vehicle door emblem and department symbol in 1951. 1951, 102 years after Marcellus Red Tomahawk was born (1849) and 20 years after his death (1931). www.nd.gov/ndhp/history.htmlMarcellus Red Tomahawk is the son of Peter Iron Tail. My question is: Would Peter Iron Tail be one of 1 of 3 portrait models selected to be on the Indian Head Buffalo nickel? Wakalapi
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 25, 2008 9:56:52 GMT -5
These are scans from Heski´s book about D.F. Barry. Red Tomahawk is in both photos: Barry attended Major McLaughlin´s funeral 1923 An old Indian stared at Barry. He came over and said, "You are Little Shadow Catcher. If your hair was black, you would look the same." Barry may be seen fourth from right. Mourners at Major James McLaughlin´s Funeral (left to right) D. F. Barry, A. G. Wells, Red Tomahawk, Capt. I. P. Baker. Photo by Barry
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Post by grahamew on Jun 26, 2008 17:11:41 GMT -5
Here's another photo of Red Tomahawk. He's the man sitting in the middle. The man to our right is Strong Heart, who fought at LBH. Don't know thw date, but I'm guessing late 20s, because he looks older than in the above photos. No information about the photographer. Taken from www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/ndirs/collections/photography/9921.htm
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Post by pohanka on Jun 26, 2008 18:11:01 GMT -5
My question is: Would Peter Iron Tail be one of 1 of 3 portrait models selected to be on the Indian Head Buffalo nickel? Wakalapi Forgive me for a partial response to your question but, I believe the portrait utilized was a composite of several Native Americans. I will do some research and try to get back with specifics.
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 28, 2008 6:28:12 GMT -5
The model for the Indian nickel was an Oglala, Iron Tail, who was possibly even younger than Red Tomahawk. So I guess his father must be another man.
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Post by ephriam on Jun 29, 2008 10:57:21 GMT -5
Dietmar:
I wonder if this posting should be moved out of the Hunkpapa section and placed under the "Yankton & Yanktonai" heading? Marcellus Red Tomahawk was actually an Upper Yanktonai, not a Hunkpapa. He was a member of Wolf Necklace's band for at least the 1876-90 period, no doubt also before and after.
On an earlier thread, there was also discussion about Red Tomahawk's father. In 1923, as part of the Black Hills hearings, he was asked specifically about his father, his translated answer written down verbatum in the transcript of the interview. He explained that his father was named Iron Tail (Sinte Maza) and that he had been an Upper Yanktonais. He noted that his father was not a full-blood Yanktonias, being also part Santee. When asked if his father was a chief, Red Tomahawk corrected the lawyer and said that his father was a "headman".
Iron Tail also appears in the census records as a member of Wolf Necklace's band from 1876 to 1885. He disappears by the time of the 1886 census, presumably having died.
ephriam
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Post by ephriam on Jun 29, 2008 12:17:30 GMT -5
Oops. I just noticed that Red Tomahawk's father, Iron Tail, also appears in the 1886 census in Red Tomahawk's family, listed as his father. He disappears by the 1887 census.
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Post by ladonna on Jun 29, 2008 20:01:35 GMT -5
Hi Ephriam I agree that Iron Tail is Yanktonais but Marcellus's Mother was Hunkpapa
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 30, 2008 5:39:09 GMT -5
Perhaps that is why Wakalapi started the thread in the Hunkpapa section. Does the Red Tomahawk family today feel more Hunkpapa than Yanktonai?
I assume headman here is meant as a leader of a warrior society? Or just a family head?
If Wakalapi will not object, I´ll move the thread to the Yanktonai board.
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Wakalapi
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Post by Wakalapi on Jul 1, 2008 15:28:26 GMT -5
Hau Dietmar,
Regarding your question "Does the Red Tomahawk family today feel more Hunkpapa than Yanktonai?" I would personally have to state that your question is too broad. More specifically "the Red Tomahawk Family". As for myself, I would have to think that those individuals that are living of the Red Tomahawk Family could and/or might have similair and/or different family history. For Example: Marcellus Red Tomahawk His father is Peter Iron Tail (Yanktonais) His mother is Black Eagle (Hunk-Papa)
Marcellus Red Tomahawk (Yanktonais / Hunk-Papa) Marcella Red Tomahawk (Hunk-Papa) b. 1866 <-- Marcellus Wife
Catherine Pretty Skirt (Hunk-Papa) b. 1853 <-- Marcellus Wife
Winona Black Bear (Hunk-Papa) b. 1848 <-- Marcellus Wife
Marcellus & Marcella had a son named Barnard (Barney). I would think that if Barney had to specify blood quantum. I would think that it could be interpertated as 3/4 Hunk-Papa 1/4 Yanktonais.
See where I'am going with this? Though you are the Administrator, so it is your decision to move or not to move.
Regarding the "headman". Could this be referring to the White Horse society that is mentioned in some of Marcellus Red Tomahawk's obits?
Toksa Ake
Wakalapi
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Post by jinlian on Jul 1, 2008 16:30:30 GMT -5
Found this portrait of Red Tomahawk as an old man- apologize if it has already been posted elsewhere.
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 1, 2008 16:46:23 GMT -5
Hi Wakalapi, thanks. I see what you mean. From the view of a historian Marcellus RT has to be rated as an Yanktonai, because according to census data he mostly lived with that tribe. But from what I experienced from the few Lakota I know it doesn´t matter too much to them. They all have family ties to other bands and/or tribes and sometimes it´s impossible and unneccessary to say where they belonged to definetely. I guess this is why Crazy Horse´s tribe affiliation is so disputed at the moment. But as I am a little bit an historian, too, here is a photo of Yanktonai Chief Wolf Necklace, who lead the band of RT: Wolf Necklace, Yanktonai (by D.F. Barry, from Denver Public Library)
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Post by ladonna on Jul 3, 2008 21:41:51 GMT -5
Wolf Necklace descendant go by Dog Skin today because of a mistranslation of the name
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Post by jinlian on Jul 7, 2008 13:34:56 GMT -5
Another picture of Red Tomahawk - looks like it belongs to the same series of the other pictures posted by Dietmar elsewhere.
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Post by biggordie on Jul 7, 2008 16:14:22 GMT -5
I haven't seen any mention of Red Tomahawk at the LBH, I have just finished transcribing a Cheyenne account which mentions a warrior of the same name, without attaching any tribal affiliation. Does anyone definitely know whether or not Marcellus Red Tomahawk was at LBH? And if he were, what band would he likely have been with?
Any information would be helpful. Thanks.
Gordie
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