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Post by dT on Dec 19, 2013 23:11:32 GMT -5
OK ... it's definitely time to start a new subject. So here is a simple question. We know that in the old days the Apaches often roamed well to the south - down to the Sierra Madre mountains of Mexico. And in fact, their traditional homeland when the Spanish first came to Mexico is said to extend almost all the way south to the area now called Mexico City. But how far north did the Apache homelands run? Just up to the Mogollon Rim of Arizona, or maybe further than that?
thanks, dT
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Post by besh on Dec 20, 2013 23:17:17 GMT -5
Well, there was a large battle (Big Dry Wash) north of the Mogollon Rim near where Blue Ridge Reservoir is today. For a group that large to be there their territory had to extend a ways farther north than that.
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Post by dT on Dec 24, 2013 11:00:06 GMT -5
Thank you best. That's a good point ... They must have been active all over that area or that battle wouldn't have been fought.
I was thinking and realized that the northern boundary of Apache land was probably where they encountered the influence of the tribe to the north of them. I think to the north that would be the Southern Paiute people, who were active in many parts of southern Utah. So the boundary must have been set by how the Apaches and the Paiutes established control of their areas.
dT
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Post by kayitah on Dec 24, 2013 18:51:59 GMT -5
That's actually a very interesting topic. It is known that Apaches travelled into Navajo country for trading. They also visited some of the Pueblo settlements; the Dilzhe'e (Tonto) frequently visited the Hopi back when the latter were living near present-day Winslow, Arizona. For anyone interested in details, here's the link to a very interesting article (page 5) published in "Glyphs". The Dilzhe'e, the northernmost of the Western Apache, travelled as far north as Flagstaff, but I don't think any Apache band went (at least regularly) as far as southern Utah. In peaceful days, Ndé - like any nomadic or semi-nomadic people - lived from what they could gain from the land they lived on. Travelling large distances, especially north, does not seem lucrative considering the barren land of southern Utah. Such a journey into far-away foreign territory would have been extremely arduous, dangerous and, most of all, it was extremely uncertain in its outcome and could force a group of people to exhaust any built up stocks of food. Grenville Goodwin's "The Social Organization of the Western Apache" is an excellent study/research and, most importantly, a first-hand account of their way of life. The book is rare and, if it can be found, rather expensive, but it is well worth the money. Actually I think it is unparalleled to this day.
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Post by dT on Dec 25, 2013 19:11:34 GMT -5
Kaftah ... Very good thought. I should have considered trade. There was no reason for the Apaches to war to the north, and their traditional enemies were to the south. they traded with the Navajo, and Eastern Apaches probably also traded with the Comanches. So there might not have Been much to be gained by trading with northern tribes like the Paiutes.
dT
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