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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 7, 2013 16:39:51 GMT -5
Here is another one... John Dazen is the second one from the left & Alchesay is the forth one from the left. The other scouts in the photo are unknown to AZHS. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 7, 2013 17:03:00 GMT -5
Thanks to you for great images.
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Post by dT on Mar 7, 2013 17:10:56 GMT -5
Did any of these men fight in World War 1 ... or did they all stay at Fort Huachaca? Does anyone know?
dT
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 7, 2013 17:19:58 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of them, but John Dazen as far as I know, wasn't at Fort Huachuca. He was up around the Whiteriver, Fort Apache area.
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 7, 2013 17:29:22 GMT -5
Look at that site: genealogy.az.gov/There are Cosen, Dazen and Riley example: Attachments:
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 7, 2013 18:34:28 GMT -5
I have been on the site alot actually. When I did my own family genealogy that site was so much help. I have been using it now too but the thing I am coming across alot on their death certs. is that for the parts where they list the parents, most all of them say unknown for the older generation. I have the death certs on Thomas Riley, Charles Cosen, & their kids ect but on Thomas & Charles it says unknown for their parents. I also noticed that the same interpreter was listed on the alot of them. Also where it says at the bottom on the birth certs, "Given or christian name added from a___" on one of John Dazen's kids, Thomas Friday's, (aka Thomas Riley) name is there. I attached it so you can see the part I'm talking about. I don't know what that part on the cert means. I have tried to find John Dazen's death cert since he died in 1921 but its not on there. We were going to order it but I'm thinking it will probably say unknown for the parents also. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 7, 2013 19:00:16 GMT -5
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 8, 2013 10:21:18 GMT -5
Okay, thanks, I'll check that out too.
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Post by dT on Mar 9, 2013 13:59:47 GMT -5
I don't know enough about the history of the scouts to understand why some were stationed at Fort Apache and some at Fort Huachaca. The US Army must have had a reason.
While going through old writings from the US cavalry I found some interesting comments on the scouts. The cavalry had tried various Nde for the job of scouting - but generally preferred White Mountain people. The reason is that these scouts gained the reputation of being the best trackers. So for example, when some Chiricahua abandoned the reservation - it was often not too hard for the escaping Apaches to use tricks to confuse the scouts who were following. But the old writings report that the scouts from the White Mountains were not confused by any of the tracking deceptions by Geronimo and Cochise, and could accurately follow their trail.
Why it is that the White Mountain Apache were so excellent at tracking amongst all the bands on the reservation ... I don't know. But there must have been a good reason.
dT
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 9, 2013 17:45:46 GMT -5
Thats a good question DT, I asked the same thing. I also found the same answers as you did about the scouts.
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Post by dT on Mar 10, 2013 11:54:18 GMT -5
The search for the "truth" ... of what happened back in those days and why ... it's very hard. It is like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle with many pieces. But the whole puzzle is now broken - and we only have a few pieces left to work with. The few pieces that we have make us wonder. But so much remains missing.
Over a very long time I think a better picture will emerge. But it will take time, patience and wisdom. Good luck on your journey - and best wishes to your friend. Because of the pain of what happened a long time ago - some Apaches have been scattered to the four winds ... a long way from their traditonal homelands. They are like the "distant stars" that shine at night near the horizon.
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Post by traviesa2080 on Mar 10, 2013 12:59:36 GMT -5
I know and its so sad.. Luckily for my friend (Who is like a second mother to me), most of her family remains in Whiteriver, AZ. The older generations are for the most part gone & no one can really answer any of our questions. We are planning a trip up there in May and hope to find more answers. Making the trip to Fort Apache & speaking with the historian I am hoping can help with some of our questions. Thank you for your kind words and input. I really appreciate it.
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Post by dT on Mar 10, 2013 15:32:27 GMT -5
I wish you success. Please post again after your trip in May. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
Although much knowledge and wisdom has gone missing ... I have also learned that things that seem "lost forever" are sometimes not gone. In some cases, they can be discovered and understood again. This would seem impossible, but it is not so. Therefore, be encouraged. If you seek actively in your heart, you will move forwards.
dT
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Post by wendyatha on Mar 21, 2013 13:19:51 GMT -5
Sorry if I'm out of context but I just wanted to say I'm so excited be able to communicate with another with my same heritage I was told long ago Chiricahua no longer exist and I don't belong anywhere. I have been searching for anything on the language and religious practices if anyone can help I'd be grateful.
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Post by Mithlo on Mar 21, 2013 13:40:17 GMT -5
Welcome Wendy!!!!!.........and you not out of context!!!.......speak your mind always ....and good to have you here sister!!!!!!!Mithlo
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