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Post by Dietmar on Jan 26, 2018 8:51:41 GMT -5
There will be a new book on Plenty Horses out in April 2018: "A Man Called Plenty Horses: The Last Warrior Of The Great Plains War" by Alan R. Hall (Author)
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Post by boston1 on Mar 15, 2019 17:53:38 GMT -5
Chief Plenty Horses, son of Living Bear died in Boston, Massachusetts in the year of 1909. I have read that his death year has been documented as 1933 in previous materials written about him. At the time of his death he had worked for the Miller Brothers in their traveling western show. Attached is certificate of death and announcement of death in newspaper back in 1909. The announcement of his death had been published in numerous newspapers across the US states. Attachments:
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Post by Dietmar on Mar 15, 2019 18:18:21 GMT -5
Thanks boston1,
and welcome to our boards.
Btw, I've been pretty disappointed with the book I mentioned above. Surely the author has put a lot of work into his project. But in attempting to write a comprehensive biography of Plenty Horses that, like Kingsley Bray's biography of Crazy Horse, connects the personal life story with the history of Lakota in general, he exaggerated a little to my taste. There are few if any historical documents and sources in the book. On the other hand some of what we know about Plenty Horses and his father is missing.
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Post by gregor on Mar 16, 2019 12:09:57 GMT -5
Chief Plenty Horses, son of Living Bear died in Boston, Massachusetts in the year of 1909. I have read that his death year has been documented as 1933 in previous materials written about him. At the time of his death he had worked for the Miller Brothers in their traveling western show. Attached is certificate of death and announcement of death in newspaper back in 1909. The announcement of his death had been published in numerous newspapers across the US states. Hi Boston1, sorry, but this must be another man. In 1891 "our" Plenty Horses was about 21 years old. And in 1909 he would have been about 40 years, not 73. Young Plenty Horses, who shot Leutnant Edward W. Casey on January 7, 1891 was born about 1869 and died in June 1933 at Oak Creek. Toksha, Gregor bmo harris near me hoursThis is Plenty Horses at Carlisle, about 10 or 12 years old.
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Post by natethegreat on Mar 17, 2019 15:32:36 GMT -5
That was not a brave thing to do, that was a cowardly act. He shot a man in the back who was not suspecting any confrontation, and Jack Red Cloud cowered down and begged for his life at the Battle of the Rosebud and was spared by Oglala warriors. It's no wonder his people did not want to be around him.
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Post by grahamew on May 21, 2020 14:29:25 GMT -5
I've just read the Roger L. Di Silvestro book - only about half of it is actually about Plenty Horses and what happened; the rest is the usual look at what was happening at the times and how Lakota - White relations led up the event. The usual stuff, in other words. The often heard excuse for his actions - he wanted to prove himself as a warrior seems a little odd when others didn't do the same, but I get it that he got off, as it were, because there was a war on and Casey's and Plenty Horses' actions must be looked at in that light. It was also interesting to read that his father may have been waylaid somehow or other so he couldn't attend the second trial. This isn't really expanded on, unfortunately. That he was freed, however, seems to have opened the way for the non-conviction of the Culbertsons and their friends for the ambush and murder of the Few Tails party, inasmuch as there seems to have been a feeling that if we can let the Indian off, we're not going to jail the white men - despite the fact that the army had investigated the events right after they happened and it was quite clear that the Culbertsons lied through their teeth. When I looked here, I was disappointed that several of the images are missing. Thanks again, Tinypic. So... Plenty Living Bear, supposedly aged 14, at Carlisle. The school's initial response to his involvement was to say he had never attended there because they couldn't find a Plenty Horses in their records. I couldn't find any more information there; with some, you can see reports. Would he have been on that photo of the Indian boys in their traditional clothing as they arrived at Carlisle? His father, Plenty Living Bear This is a series of photos taken by Grabill when Plenty Horses was awaiting trial: His father can be seen in these two post-Wounded Knee photos - at the far right of the staged photo and in the centre of the back row of this one This is a Morledge photo that allegedly shows Plenty Horses at an Omaha Dance at Pine Ridge I assume this was after his return from trial, supposing it is him. The first trial. Rock Road and White Moon were two of Casey's Cheyennes. It's interesting to see them photographed with the accused and his supporters. Identification by Dietmar. The first trial. Again, note the presence of Rock Road and White Moon. During the second trial, White Moon despaired at being found lying to protect Casey that he tried to kill himself in a hotel room but was discovered by He Dog and Woman's Dress, who called for a doctor and he lived. Supposedly from the second trial, almost a month later on May 25, though you'll notice the presence of American Horse and Red Shirt but not Living Bear. Presumably taken during the trial I have seen three other photos purporting to be Plenty Horses, but I don' think he's in either; however, he was present at the 1893 Columbia Exposition in Chicago, I think with the Sitting Bull Cabin exhibit rather than Cody's Wild West Show, and George Spencer took photos of many of the Lakotas who were there, but I have yet to see one of Plenty Horses. For Few Tails, see here: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1994/tails-oyuhpe
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Post by Dietmar on May 21, 2020 16:51:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the photos, Grahame. I´ve waited for long to see a better scan of the second trial group photo. Plenty Horses was in Carlisle from November 14. 1883 to July 8. 1889. He went under the name Plenty Living Bear. His Indian name is recorded as Kills Plenty and also as Plenty Horses. We had one Carlisle portrait where Plenty Horses appear very young. This photo is not identified, but I think it could be him also, probably some years after the first portrait:
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Post by grahamew on May 22, 2020 2:04:55 GMT -5
Thanks. Never seen that one before. Do you think he's in that large photo of the boys as they arrived in traditional dress?
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Post by Dietmar on May 22, 2020 3:30:20 GMT -5
No, the group photos you mean were taken in 1879. Plenty Horses went in 1883 to Carlisle Indian School.
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Post by grahamew on May 22, 2020 4:50:29 GMT -5
Ah, thanks.
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Post by grahamew on May 25, 2020 15:44:20 GMT -5
Plenty Horses, Cris Mathison and Living Bear - an image taken during the first trial
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 23, 2020 5:09:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know about Red Blanket, who is in the new group photo further above. He isn´t mentioned in all accounts, reports and books I have read.
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Post by tomfc on Jun 25, 2020 4:56:32 GMT -5
Hi, this is some information on Plenty Horses and his trial: In 1891 Tasunka Ota, Plenty Horses, was a youth of twenty-two. His family belonged to the band of old Two Strike, since the death of Spotted Tail the most important chief of the Brulé Sioux tribe. Plenty Horses’ father, Living Bear, a well-to-do rancher on Rosebud was a cousin of Two Strike and a respected headman of the band. Plenty Horses himself - tall, handsome, with broad shoulders and deep chest, low forehead, prominent nose, and large brown eyes - looked the very embodiment of the ideal Sioux warrior. When finally the government permitted him to return to the reservation, many Lakota no longer accepted him, perceiving him as tainted by white contact. It probably did not help that his command of the Lakota language was frozen by Carlisle school at the level of a 14 year old. ''Five years I attended Carlisle and was educated in the ways of the white man,'' he would say later. ''When I returned to my people, I was an outcast among them. I was no longer an Indian.'' Local whites were not interested in him either. He was never offered the jobs that Carlisle teachers had led him to expect. As the news of the slaughter [the Wounded Knee massacre] spread across the reservations, young warriors took up weapons, mounted horses, and rode off in pursuit of U.S. troops, determined to protect their families and elderly from another attack. Among the warriors rode 21-year-old Tasunka Ota who had lost a cousin in the gunfire along Wounded Knee Creek. The whites translated his name usually as Plenty Horses or Young-Man-With-Plenty-Horses although the real meaning of Tasunka Ota “Many Horses” was. Right after the shooting at Wounded Knee, he had joined the warriors to fight back the U.S. soldiers. On the morning of January 7, 1891 he became his chance and Plenty Horses later stated, “I was out from the camp watching that no troops came to harm my father and relatives. Of course I was in a bad frame of mind“ Plenty Horses was one of a party of about forty Sioux that chanced on Lieutenant Edward W. Casey and two Cheyenne scouts, White Moon and Rock Road, on the slope of a low hill about two and a half miles north of the No Water camp. During a conversation Plenty Horses had slowly backed his horse out of the circle and posted himself about three or four feet behind Casey. As the officer wheeled his horse to depart Plenty Horses took his Winchester from under his blanket, calmly raised it to his shoulder, and fired one shot. The bullet went right into the back of Casey’s head and came out under the right eye. The Indians at Pine Ridge assumed that the peace relieved Plenty Horses of any threat of reprisal. The killing had occurred in time of war, when everyone was on edge of an attack. On February 19 Lieutenant S. A. Cloman and a troop of Oglala scouts found Plenty Horses in a small camp of Corn Man’s band, north of the agency. As I recall, Plenty Horses was indeed acquitted, on the grounds that his slaying of Lt. Casey was an act of war. For once, the white man's law worked in the Indian's favour.
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Post by jkachuba on Jul 2, 2020 10:57:25 GMT -5
I had never heard of Living Bear referred to as a "well-to-do rancher." Does anyone have more details about that?
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Post by Dietmar on Jul 12, 2020 7:12:49 GMT -5
Welcome John,
I think the term "well-to-do-rancher" is from Robert Lee´s book "Fort Meade and the Black Hills" (page 131), or perhaps the author used it from an earlier source. Unfortunately I don´t own the book, so I can´t look in his footnotes.
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