Lean Bear was one of the four Chiefs of the Ridge Men band, along with White Antelope, Old Little Wolf and One Eye/Lone Bear. His brother Bull Bear was one of the Chiefs of the Dog Men or Soldiers, who originally were a Warrior Society, but later formed an own band after their leader Porcupine Bear had been outlawed for killing a fellow tribesman.
From George Hyde's book, this is the detailed map of Sand Creek camp (from L to R): 1- chief War Bonnet - Oi'vimana band (Scabby Men) 2- chief White Antelope - Hisiometa'nio band (Ridge Men) 3- chief Lone Bear/One Eye - name of the band not mentioned 4- chief Black Kettle - Wu'tapiu band (Eater) 5- chief Left Hand - Southern Arapaho 6- chief Sand Hill - Heviqs'ni'pahis band (Closed Aorta) Still, Hyde mentioned chief Yellow Wolf of the Hevhaita'nio band (Fur/Rope Men) that not appear in the map above, and he added that the Masikota and Hotamita'nio (Dog Soldiers) bands were not present. Hence, White Antelope and Lone Bear/One Eye cannot belonged at the same band. In another chapter of the book, there is the tale of the battle done by Wolf Chief (Fur/Rope Men band) that, talking about the murdered of Lean Bear, said: "...several soldiers were killed. Among the OURS died Lean Bear and Star, another warrior, and many were wounded...". I think that ,very probably, the band of birth of LEAN BEAR and BULL BEAR was the "Fur/Rope Men" band. The only doubt i have is about the n. 3 band of Lone Bear/One Eye. May be that it'is the same of the old Yellow Wolf, mentioned apart by Hyde? P.S. Black Kettle is metioned as chief of "Wu'tapiu/Eater" band. Truly, his band of birth is the "Shutaio". He become "Wu'tapiu" by marriage. Can some experts help to explain my doubts?
Last Edit: Mar 24, 2009 12:52:48 GMT -5 by Dietmar
why could White Antelope and Lone Bear/ One Eye not belong to the same band? Each of the Cheyenne subbands elected four chiefs to represent them, 40 chiefs at all plus 4 Old Man Chiefs.
Father Peter Powell states that Lone Bear/One Eye became chief of the Ridge Men as early as 1854, Lean Bear even earlier. The latter was first noted as a young chief of age 38 at the Treaty of Horse Creek in 1851, when he quarreled with an army officer and his wife about a ring on her finger.
Bull Bear had become the fourth chief of the Dog Men as early as 1863.
Unfortunately I don´t know which band they belonged to by birth.
Dietmar: my reason is simply based looking at the above map. White Antelope = band n. 2 Lone Bear/One Eye = band n. 3 Hyde stated that every chief leaded a different band. And what do you think about the tell of Chief Wolf (Fur/Rope Men band)?
White Antelope is first left (easy to compare to the 1851 photo , the nose), black kettle is center ,bull bear is second from RIGHT , not between the other two cheyennes , just watch the photos of bull bear in the book the peace chiefs of the cheyennes , in 1964 he was young and a big man not old and small like the man between White Antelope and black kettle
in this photo the big man bull bear is first left while white antelope is first right
Shatonska: sorry, but I'm not agree with you. The chief that you indicate as BULL BEAR is instead NEVA (and viceversa). I' don't think that Bull Bear was a very tall man, but a normal size, and the photo of your book dont help us for the comparison: there; Bull Bear is very old and in civil dress.
the camp weld discussion with evans, black kettle, white antelope and neva is impressing how the governor helds them and how they try to explain each fact, offering even to fight the sioux, finding themselves against the wall anyway at the end.. difficult situation with bloody outcome.
The Cheyenne Old Bull Bear (b.1816, d.1892, April 11) is most likely the man second from RIGHT in the center row but not second from left in photograph 1 below, taken in Denver in September 1864. The man second from left is the Arapaho Neva. Labeled as such by Hoig , as mentioned by Shatonska in reply #34 above.
And Old Bull Bear is on the far left in the seated row in photograph 2 below, also taken in Denver in September 1864. Also labeled as such by Hoig .
This can be seen by taking a look at the man second on the right in photograph 1. And compare him to Old Bull Bear's sons; Richard Davis (b.?, d.?) and Young Bull Bear (b.1853, d.1910) in photograph 3. These 2 sons of Old Bull Bear bears more resemblance to the man second on the right, than to the man second on the left in photograph 1.
As explained by Grace in 2011 . The man on the right in photograph 3 and in photograph 4 is Young Bull Bear (b.1853, d.1910), the son of Old Bull Bear (b.1816, d.1892, April 11). But not Old Bull Bear. Labeled as Bull Bear by Hoig (no remarks made on whether it is old or young Bull Bear) .
We can see : White Antelope ( seated far left ) Black Kettle ( seated at center ) No-Ta-Nee or Knock Knees (seated far right)
The man, seated second from right, is Bull Bear. Bull Bear ( participant at the Camp Weld Conference ) was born about in 1835 . In 1864, Bull Bear was about thirty years old. In this photograph , the man, seated second from right ( Bull Bear ), looks how thirty years old. In the Camp Weld Conference, Bull Bear had twice said : I am young In the book : The Sand Creek Massacre - A Documentary History ( Edition 1973 by Sol Lewis ) is a half portrait from Bull Bear, a segment from the Camp Weld photograph. To this enlarged photograph we can see an important detail. Probably, Bull Bear had squinted with the left eye slightly. Unfortunately, the photograph in the ( Sol Lewis ) book is titled with Black Kettle - a mistake.
Back to the Camp Weld photograph. The man ( seated second from left ) in my opinion is Chief Neva. He looks older than thirty years old.
Please see: The Sand Creek Massacre- A Documentary History ( Edition 1973 by Sol Lewis ) page 238 / 239 half portrait Bull Bear page 407 Bull Bear`s conversation at the Camp Weld conference
Encyclopedia of Frontier Biography: A-F by Dan L. Thrapp page 188 ( Bull Bear )