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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 27, 2012 8:27:08 GMT -5
Dietmar's list of identifications for the original image: The IDs in the Fiske image (Fiske photo from an old print) from left to right are: Bear Face, Walking Shooter (aka Belly Fat), Bear Ribs II, Thunder Hawk, High Bear, Lone Dog, Black Eye, Big Head, Mrs. Galpin, Ella Hughes, Col. Hammond, Mrs. Alma Parkin, Running Antelope, Young Two Bear, Cottonwood, Gray Bear, John Grass, Young Fire Heart, Wolf necklace, Mrs. Van Solen Read more: amertribes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=hunkpapa1&action=display&thread=1360#ixzz24kjQbUdR
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Post by kingsleybray on Aug 27, 2012 8:46:12 GMT -5
I've posted the following details about the individuals in the picture on the 'Group of Sioux Chiefs Standing Rock' thread:
Bear Face [Hunkpapa: Droopy Prick band], Walking Shooter (aka Belly Fat) [Hunkpapa: Droopy Prick band], Bear Ribs II [Hunkpapa: Droopy Prick band], Thunder Hawk [Hunkpapa: Droopy Prick band], High Bear [Upper Yanktonai: Takini band], Lone Dog [Upper Yanktonai], Black Eye [Upper Yanktonai], Big Head [Upper Yanktonai], Mrs. Galpin [Two Kettle-Hunkpapa], Ella Hughes [daughter of Standing Rock Agent W. T. Hughes], Col. Hammond [Office of Indian Affairs regional Superintendent], Mrs. Alma Parkin [daughter of Mrs Galpin], Running Antelope [Hunkpapa: Sore-Back Horses band], Young Two Bear [Lower Yanktonai: Burnt Faces band], Cottonwood [Lower Yanktonai], Gray Bear [Lower Yanktonai?}, John Grass [Sihasapa: Crow Feather Hair Ornaments band], Young Fire Heart [Sihasapa: Real Sihasapa band], Wolf Necklace [Upper Yanktonai: ], Mrs. Van Solen [daughter of Mrs Galpin]
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 4, 2020 8:21:43 GMT -5
An Ebay seller just offered an previously unseen photograph taken by James H. Lucas. Although labeled Drifting Goose (Yanktonai), this clearly is the portrait of Goose, a Standing Rock Lakota. I´ll post the photo also in here: amertribes.proboards.com/thread/1254/chief-goose?page=2
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Post by grahamew on Feb 4, 2020 12:41:38 GMT -5
Great photo, Dietmar. While I'm here, I know this has been credited to Cross, but isn't it a Lucas? Kill Eagle was at Standing Rock where Lucas made his images and Cross was in Nebraska at the time (which would be late 1870s, I guess) - unless he was visiting his Sicangu relatives.
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Post by Dietmar on Feb 4, 2020 17:03:10 GMT -5
Good point, Grahame. However, the Kill Eagle portrait appear among Cross´ pictures and would have been the only one Lucas photo that Cross was distributing. A bit unlikely to me, although not impossible, I admit.
It would help to see a good scan of the whole Kill Eagle picture.
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Post by grahamew on Feb 4, 2020 17:51:57 GMT -5
Maybe it's by neither. Have to admit, the chair doesn't seem to be the same...
Then again, Cross was up at Fort Randall photographing Sitting Bull after he returned from Canada, so maybe the image was made sometime around then.
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Post by Dietmar on May 29, 2023 8:27:45 GMT -5
On eBay we got this new picture with the Nickerson imprint, but obviously a Lucas photo: I don´t believe the man is Wolf Necklace, of whom we got several other portraits. But who is he then?
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Post by grahamew on May 29, 2023 9:01:55 GMT -5
Bear claws hanging from/attached to his sleeves? Tremendous image. I don't see him in the group shot outside the agency. Definitely not Wolf Necklace.
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Post by grahamew on May 29, 2023 10:19:42 GMT -5
I notice we seem to have lost most iof the Lucas images, so... Black Horn - or Young Fire Heart Goose Wolf Necklace Thunder Hawk Unidentified Unidentified. Four Bears and son Belly Fat Unidentified, Thuinder Hawk, Belly Fat; the other four are undientified I'm sure there's a better version of this somewhere... From Dietmar; left to right: Bear Face, Walking Shooter (aka Belly Fat), Bear Ribs II, Thunder Hawk, High Bear, Lone Dog, Black Eye, Big Head, Mrs. Galpin, Ella Hughes, Col. Hammond, Mrs. Alma Parkin, Running Antelope, Young Two Bear, Cottonwood, Gray Bear, John Grass, Young Fire Heart, Wolf necklace, Mrs. Van Solen Unidentified Schoolboys at Standing Rock Mrs Van Solen? Fort Yates
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Post by shan on May 29, 2023 11:01:28 GMT -5
Grahamew,
I'm sure tour aware of this already, but that second to last image you posted of a large groip with a couple of white woman present was taken either before or after the Standing rock image.
Incidently the man standing 7th from the left with very distinctive waved hair rings a bell which I can't answer, but I'm sure I've seen a couple of portraits of him. By the way, he's wearing two feathers in the former image which can't be seen because of the exposure, but then the man to his right is alo wearing a feather which can't be seen
keep up the good work Shan
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Post by grahamew on May 30, 2023 4:04:44 GMT -5
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Post by Dietmar on May 30, 2023 8:10:39 GMT -5
Yes, I agree the group pictures were taken almost definitely on the same day, comparing the landscape in the background and the wooden building at left. I always thought this was a bit later, but what you said make sense.
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Post by Dietmar on May 30, 2023 8:29:32 GMT -5
As agent W. T. Hughes`daughter is in the picture, the photo must had been taken between Apr. 18, 1877 and Sept. 21, 1878, if the dates of Hughes´ service are correct.
This is an older post by Ephriam:
"William T. Hughes was Indian Agent at Standing Rock from Dec. 1876 to October 1878. And he did have a daughter named Ella, born about 1869. I am not sure how long he remained in Dakota Territory after his term as agent but he had certainly moved back to Chicago by 1880. John H. Hammond (1830-1890) served as superintendent of Dakota Superintendency from 1877 to 1880. As I recall, his office was in Yankton but he visited Standing Rock on a number of occasions. I think this information would bracket the photograph as having been taken some time between 1877 and 1880 -- probably either 1877 or 1878."
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Post by grahamew on May 30, 2023 10:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by grahamew on Jun 1, 2023 6:00:49 GMT -5
Another Lucas? Mrs Galpin's PLace - early days at Fort Yates
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