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Post by philslf on Aug 22, 2011 8:59:56 GMT -5
Hello, I'm new on this page. Been interested in Apaches since I was a toddler. Growing up, I focused on Chiricahuas, mainly Nednih. I travelled to Apacheria : Fort Apache, White Mountain, Tombstone, Chiricahua Mountains, Dragoon Mountains, Bowie, Apache Pass... I fancied crossing the border and heading south in the Sierra Madre but was strongly advised no to do. I read a lot about "the nameless ones" Ingstad, Goodwin... Years back, I contacted Mrs Lynda Sanchez (Eve Ball assistant on Indeh). She told me that she had a book on the topic going on. She even got the title : "Journey between two worlds". We lost touch since and never heard of this project again. Does anyone know if she still intend to publish it ? Mrs Sanchez lived in Ruidoso, at the edge of Mescalero reservation. By the way does anyone got some pictures of "Tres Castillos" ? I couldn't get there during my trip and can't find pictures of the spot. Thanks in advance.
Phil
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Post by coeurrouge on Aug 23, 2011 15:02:14 GMT -5
Hello and Welcome on board !! This is from Dan.L.Thrapp book of Victorio. Attachments:
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Post by philslf on Aug 24, 2011 6:56:33 GMT -5
Thanks for your kind greetings and the photograph ! If anyone has some more... That will be most welcome.
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Post by kayitah on Aug 24, 2011 8:47:49 GMT -5
Hi Phil! Welcome, great to have a new member on here! I have just returned from a trip to the USA (Arizona and California). It was awesome! I especially liked the Cochise Stronghold, it's just a very spiritual place there. You can almost feel the past when hiking in this beautiful place. I met some very nice people in the San Carlos Apache community of Peridot and at Fort Verde National Historic Park. I'll for sure visit Apacheria again.
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Post by philslf on Aug 25, 2011 7:35:46 GMT -5
Thanks Kayitah Yes, I agree, a country fit for Apaches. I've seldom seen a land and a people so obviously made for each other. I've been a bit disappointed not to be able to cross the border. I was a bit surprised since I've been to Mexico 15 years ago and the situation wasn't that bad. Anyway... Mind you, I really enjoyed every second of my trip but, since I'm very much interested in lost Apaches of the Sierra Madre, it was a bit of a setback. I follow that topic for a good 15 years but resources are scarced and a lot of what I found through the years has been lost in various copmputer crashes.
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Post by penjady on Aug 29, 2011 19:15:02 GMT -5
Thanks Kayitah Yes, I agree, a country fit for Apaches. I've seldom seen a land and a people so obviously made for each other. I've been a bit disappointed not to be able to cross the border. I was a bit surprised since I've been to Mexico 15 years ago and the situation wasn't that bad. Anyway... Mind you, I really enjoyed every second of my trip but, since I'm very much interested in lost Apaches of the Sierra Madre, it was a bit of a setback. I follow that topic for a good 15 years but resources are scarced and a lot of what I found through the years has been lost in various copmputer crashes. Philslf, Welcome to Apache country. First of all, traveling into Mexico is at your own risk. The drug wars are tremendous and ruthless. And I mean ruthless. Once it is known that you are not from Mexico, you become a target of kidnappings and death. I am not kidding. The Sierra Madre is unfortunately one, if not, the top places to grow marijuana. It is so because of why the Apaches loved that place, difficult to get into and very lush forests located on top. So the drug cartels have that place on locked down with armed guerrillas, land mines and booby traps. It is very ruthless. Until the drug wars subside, I wouldn't step into that country at all. Not even to our beloved homelands.
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Post by philslf on Aug 30, 2011 11:09:57 GMT -5
Hi, Penjady ! I'm fully aware of how bad things are in northern old Mexico. That's why I finally decide not to cross the border. As i say, it was a bit disappointing but safety first, he. Hope things will turn out for the best someday for the Mexican people. Cheers
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Post by penjady on Aug 30, 2011 12:06:24 GMT -5
Hi, Penjady ! I'm fully aware of how bad things are in northern old Mexico. That's why I finally decide not to cross the border. As i say, it was a bit disappointing but safety first, he. Hope things will turn out for the best someday for the Mexican people. Cheers Nzhuu!
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Post by eweberg on Jan 31, 2012 14:30:48 GMT -5
Hi, I'm new here. I've always been very interested in the Apache culture and history. For years I've wanted to visit the historical places in Apacheria. I live in Norway, so it's actually a pretty long flight to get there. But last summer my family and I went to Arizona and visited the White Mountains, San Carlos, Fort Apache, Fort Bowie, Apache Pass and the Chiricahua Mountains. It was very special to see all the places I've read about since I was a kid! We didn't have time to see the Cochise Stronghold, but I'm definitely going back to see it! Hopefully this summer. The only thing missing on our visit was someone local sharing my interests to show us around:) So if there's anybody who'd like to share their knowledge on my next visit, please let me know!
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Post by jasper4 on Jan 31, 2012 16:06:43 GMT -5
A tip for you, go to the san carlos rez and find the cultural center, and ask if anyone can direct you to the stronghold. Due to many outside of you asking in a respectful way at the center, will take your money and such, but you do what ever you think is best. More than likey you may be able to get direction at no cost, yet do not go with a EGO. you will be quickly sent on your way.
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Post by jasper4 on Jan 31, 2012 16:15:48 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available. Sincerely, Siggy Jumper why not alabama, where some of my kin are buried again just asking
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Post by Montolzh on Feb 12, 2012 15:49:28 GMT -5
If you plan to come to Arizona in Spring and visit San Carlos/Peridot area let me know. Many Na' ii' ees are held in Spring moon, sometimes visitors may visit some parts of the sacred womanhood ceremony if permission is granted, usually no photographs allowed. (makes for great memory though).
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Post by kayitah on Feb 12, 2012 17:27:53 GMT -5
Hi Montolzh, I was in San Carlos and Peridot last summer (July/August), where I met Herb Stevens. He's a very nice guy and shared a lot of his wisdom and knowledge with me, which I'll always be thankful to him. I hope to come again this coming summer, and I will gladly let you know if I do.
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Post by dT on Feb 16, 2012 20:27:03 GMT -5
Hallo folks. I will actually be visiting these areas in southern AZ in March of 2012. Can anyone explain which places are the most interesting and the most scenic? I would hate to miss something ... I can only spend a couple of days down near the Dragoon Mountains.
dT
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Post by Montolzh on Feb 16, 2012 22:10:33 GMT -5
Hallo folks. I will actually be visiting these areas in southern AZ in March of 2012. Can anyone explain which places are the most interesting and the most scenic? I would hate to miss something ... I can only spend a couple of days down near the Dragoon Mountains. dT If Dragoons your destination, spend time in the Stronghold. Very nice place to hike, will still be cool. About 1 hour away is Apache Pass, Ft. Bowie. Anywhere you walk will be in Cochise footsteps.
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