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Post by tiswin on Feb 12, 2011 17:18:30 GMT -5
I live smackdab in the middle of Apacheria. The Huachuca Mts are in my backyard, Ft Huachuca right up the road. Cochise Stronghold is clearly visible from my backyard, and about 20 miles away, and I have hiked there. The Chiricahua Mts are also visible from my backyard, but about an hour away. Ft Grant and Ft Bowie are both an hour and a half from my house, and I can get to Skeleton Canyon with my 4 wheel drive. C.S. Fly's grave is 25 minutes from my house in the Tombstone City Cemetery(not Boot Hill) and I have visited there several times. My wife's parents live in Silver City, NM which is 3 easy hours from my house and we go there often. On the way to Silver City You go right by Stein's Peak, site of several significant Apache battles. Between Lordsburg and Silver City you pass the monument for the McComas "Incident" which was actually about ten miles west of the monument. I have visited the actual site (with permission of the land owner) and the black walnut tree they lunched under while attacked by the Apaches is still there, but dead now. Just north of Silver city is Pinos Altos, elev 7000 ft, we stay there in these beautiful cabins in the pines. Can anyone say Mangus Colorados? East of Silver City, I went to look at some property to buy In Hillsboro, we went our regular route but up right through the remnants of Lake Valley (nana's raid anyone?). Finally, my wife's ex-inlaws own Beavercreek ranch in N.M. It's very isolated , about 80 miles due west of Truth or Consequense, NM. When you get about 8 miles east of T or C, you come to Cuchillo. It was named for Cuchillo Negro, the remnants of the river are still there, and at that point the Apaches stll farmed. Plus if you want to see where the Ojo Caliente resevation was, there is a turnoff north not too far from Cuchillo marked Monticello, it's 20 miles there. It's private property, but you could get a good lay of the land that the Apaches valued
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 12, 2011 17:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by tiswin on Feb 12, 2011 19:14:59 GMT -5
well, maybe we could arrange something to bring freinds from American Tribes here. we can talk about it
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 12, 2011 19:35:50 GMT -5
And we make a GREAT party! I go to buy vodka
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Post by kayitah on Feb 14, 2011 13:57:36 GMT -5
I have been to Fort Bowie and Apache Pass, Camp Verde and the White Mountain Apache Reservation (Whiteriver, Cibecue, Canyon Day). I didn't have enough time to do and see all I wanted, but I will definetely return! I also loved Sedona and Pinetop very much! I also saw Holbrook, where the Chiricahuas were loaded into railroad wagons to make their trip to imprisonment in Florida. Would be great to meet other forum members there!
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Post by jeroen on Feb 15, 2011 2:03:21 GMT -5
I have visited the Southwest twice, including the Chiricahua and Dragoon Mountains, Fort Bowie and parts of New Mexico, although my main purpose at the time were a number of art gallery appointments in Scottsdale, Sedona and Santa Fe, so I could not visit all particular places I wanted... Hope to do that again sometime this year...
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Post by Second on Feb 16, 2011 19:17:50 GMT -5
It was great reading about you guys and your trips to Apache Country. In 07 the Chiricahuas were invited by the State of Arizona to return to the Stronghold after 124 years. About 300 of us showed up. our Crown Dance group led the way for the two day feast that was named Blessing Feast. I have dedicated a whole chapter in my book for that event. I think you guys will lke that.
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Post by Second on Feb 16, 2011 19:21:41 GMT -5
Hello Tiswin, as soon as my book is published, I plan on doing a promotional tour all across Apache Country. Places like the Chiricahua National Monument visitor center, the Gila Dwellings, along with T or C and White Sands, etc. I will like to visit you during that trip. Perhaps you can show me Skeleton Canyon.
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Post by Second on Feb 16, 2011 19:24:55 GMT -5
I am a little confused here, as some of you live our of the Country. Tiswin you live in AZ right.
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Post by tiswin on Feb 17, 2011 13:01:13 GMT -5
Yes, i live in Sierra Vista, Az
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Post by Second on Feb 17, 2011 19:09:19 GMT -5
To Tiswin, You live in beautiful country man. If you are interested in learning about Ojo Caliente, Mescalero, White Tail, perhaps we can trade. You show me Skeleton Canyon and I will show you areound NM. I know Apacheria like the back of my hands, but mostly on the NM side. TorC, Monticello, White Sands, Mescalero, etc. Siggy
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Post by Second on Feb 17, 2011 19:27:57 GMT -5
I have been to the Dragoons, the Chiricahuas and Fort Bowie San Carlos, Fort Apache many times. Do you know how to get to Canyon de los Embudos. Another place I want to visit before I pass on, is Sierra Madre. Some of my Ancestors were born there. I hear its a beautiful Country. Chiricahuas call them the Blue Mountains.
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Post by tiswin on Feb 17, 2011 20:51:39 GMT -5
second, don't know the interior of Mexico at all, and under the current conditions won't go there at all, not even the nearby border towns of Naco and Agua Prieta. So, are you Apache? I actually know the the NM side of Apacheria better than than this side, even though I live here. Will your book be available on Amazon? What is the title? How can I buy it?
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Post by Second on Feb 18, 2011 0:40:42 GMT -5
Yeap, things are rough in Mexico right now. Perhaps we can go to Skeleton Canyon. Yes, I am Apache, Chiricahua-Warm Springs. How about you? Are you Apache? Yes my book will be availbl thru Amazon. It is titled "Second Jumper, searching for his bloodlines." It may very well be the only Apache book written from within. Eve Ball was the greatest, but she was not an Apache. As a result she was not able to cover the topics that are in my book. For example, The reader will learn about things that happened in Fort Marion that have never been revealed. I will take the reader inside the Medicine Tepee as our crown dance group prepares for ceremony. This has never been done before. I will take the reader to Ojo Caliente and Red Paint Canyon, where we get our name from. Among the many Apaches in my book, I have for the first time, Chatto's grandson making a public statement in reference to his grandfather. I have pictures and stories never published before from Victorio's son, Geronimo's son. I have a special chapter on White Tail with lots of pictures from a 1948 photo collection that I am the keeper of . Another chapter about a Blessing Feast that took place in the Dragoons in 07. Never before pictures seen of our Crown Dance group, Cochise's great-grandson and lots of stories never before published about Geronimos and his young warriors. Over all, lots of fresh material. It also covers a great deal about Florida Seminoles, as I grew up among them.
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:46:50 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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