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Post by jeroen on Jan 8, 2011 7:07:55 GMT -5
So far, I have found very few photographs of Lipan Apaches, likely because very few remained... This one is of Magoosh, the leader of the Lipans that survived into the 20th century as a small group on the Mescalero reservation: ![](http://i54.tinypic.com/2mmcrck.jpg)
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 19, 2011 11:30:14 GMT -5
This a painting made by Frederich Richard Petri in the 1850s of a Lipan Apache:
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 19, 2011 11:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by nde on Jan 26, 2011 8:01:03 GMT -5
Hi, I am a hleh`pai`ndé, more commonly known as Lipan Apache. I have a few old pictures if you like.
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Post by nde on Jan 26, 2011 8:08:56 GMT -5
Oh and by the way, it's not exactly because "very few remained" there are A LOT of Lipan Apaches still living in Texas but the reason you don't see many older photos of us is because back then Texas made laws forbidding us to live in "their newfound state" and what happened to you was kind of determined by what band you belonged to..the majority went to Mexico, some were sent to New Mexico, some were sent to Oklahoma along with the Tonkawa and the rest refused to leave their homeland in Texas and pretended to be Mexican. Understand that simply being Apache back then (no matter what specific Apache nation or band) could and would get you killed...so we kept our identites a secret just to survive.
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Post by nde on Jan 26, 2011 8:11:35 GMT -5
Oh and I hope you don't mind me asking but where did you find this photo??
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Post by Dietmar on Jan 26, 2011 11:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by nde on Jan 26, 2011 17:43:39 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Feb 1, 2011 8:45:08 GMT -5
Great info, thanks nde for explaining why so very few photographs were taken... I got the Magoosh portrait from the Wanamaker collection: mathers.indiana.edu/wanamaker/results.phpIt also contains this portrait, identified as Oo Ha Beneska, Lipan Apache: ![](http://i52.tinypic.com/34zm4b6.jpg)
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 3, 2011 4:55:57 GMT -5
I have this one too, I just really wish I had a higher resolution one :/ ![](http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4144/5412894540_37a08c94dc.jpg) This photo is of Chief Costalites (I've also seen his name spelt as "Costelitos" and "Costilietos"), his daughter Teresita and a black Seminole. Welcome ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/1261720/thumbnailer/GvyFPGJKlCpfkPSCKNhE.jpg)
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 3, 2011 5:20:26 GMT -5
Another shot Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/1261720/thumbnailer/W1LjaAfxcSv0EujGclCg.jpg)
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Post by nde on Feb 3, 2011 6:46:30 GMT -5
Whoa were'd you find this? You have no idea how happy you just made me, thank you!
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 3, 2011 10:34:17 GMT -5
Whoa were'd you find this? You have no idea how happy you just made me, thank you! I do find this at auction www.ha.com/ in March '08. Dont worry, be happy! ;D
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:55:45 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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Post by nde on Mar 23, 2011 15:23:42 GMT -5
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