nde
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Post by nde on Aug 17, 2010 23:19:22 GMT -5
Maybe we can identify them together... Do you by any chance have this image without the names written on them? I can't find any big versions of this photo other than this one.
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Post by jeroen on Aug 19, 2010 3:28:20 GMT -5
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Post by nde on Aug 19, 2010 14:05:40 GMT -5
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Post by jeroen on Sept 7, 2010 1:18:13 GMT -5
This is said to be Chihuahua with family, but that not likely... My suggestion would be Chino... does anybody know?
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Post by kayitah on Sept 7, 2010 2:45:18 GMT -5
Jeroen, it's Chilchuana, a chief of the Dilzhe'e (Tonto) Apache.
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 7, 2010 16:06:24 GMT -5
Jeroen, it's Chilchuana, a chief of the Dilzhe'e (Tonto) Apache. Agree look at pair image from SIRIS and see Thread 'Apache Tag Bands of Fort Apache and San Carlos Res' Chief of TB-band from San Carlos - Chilchuana (rectum)
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Post by jeroen on Sept 11, 2010 3:20:11 GMT -5
Thanks! Does any of you have a larger version of this image as well as info?
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Post by naiches2 on Sept 12, 2010 15:12:46 GMT -5
i have a small Lieutenant Mills with scouts at Silver City, New Mexico Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Sept 13, 2010 5:49:48 GMT -5
So they may have been part of the force that went along with Crook when he entered Mexico, in May 1883, to persuade the Chiricahuas to return to the reservation..; and if so, they are mostly White Mountain Apaches...
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Post by jikou on Nov 6, 2010 6:33:37 GMT -5
Do not mock me or beat me, but I think that young woman forth form left, one left of mythical man in white is not Ha-o-zinne, but Naithlotonz. Please compare with "Susan and Bridget" photo in "geronimo" thread page 2 and naiche thread page 1.
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Post by jeroen on Nov 11, 2010 4:25:06 GMT -5
Hello Jikou, I won't mock you or beat you but Naithlotonz was not present at Canyon the los Embudos in March 1886, she remained at Fort Apache at the time, so it can't be her in the photo...
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Post by jeroen on Nov 30, 2010 7:22:22 GMT -5
Detail from the Fly photo, any thoughts about possible identifications?
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Post by jeroen on Nov 30, 2010 7:22:59 GMT -5
Here's the image:
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Post by jeroen on Dec 6, 2010 10:22:15 GMT -5
Earlier, Perico identified the man next to Naiche in the image above, and seen in full length below, as Harold Dick, a Nedni Apache, and his Apache name is Nahn-tee-nesn. This Nah-tee-nesn is also mentioned by Sweeney; however he clearly identifies him as a Chokonen from Naiche's band, and related to Chihuahua. What is more important, Sweeney says Nahn tee nesn was a scout for the US army, implying he was not a member of the Geronimo/Naiche group in 1886. Any thoughts on that?
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Post by shan on Dec 13, 2010 7:32:36 GMT -5
This is a general question for the Apache board. In many of the photographs taken by Fly a number of the warriors in particular have what appears to be a white line of paint across their cheeks and nose. I suppose that it may not actually be white but be yellow or some other pale colour, but we can't tell because of the black and white photography.
My question is this, does anyone know what this signified to the Apaches, and are there other examples taken on other occasions where we see them wearing this same sort of stripe of paint on their faces. Or---and here the cynic in me raises it's head--- is it possible the the photographer Fly asked them to apply this paint because he thought that a potential white audience for his photographs would want to see the Indians in what they would think was warpaint.
Low Dog
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