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Post by kayitah on Jun 6, 2010 4:52:34 GMT -5
the train photo for comparison... Attachments:
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 6, 2010 13:59:08 GMT -5
Please let me step in here quickly and thank you guys for posting all this fascinating stuff about the history of the Apache Nation in the various threads on our boards. Very well done!
Let me also welcome Perico to our boards. I´m very glad someone from your Nation joined the discussions. I hope you like it here.
This month we have our 2 year anniversary, since we started in June 2008. We uploaded a new intro page to make it clear how much we appreciate all that you share here.
Best wishes
Dietmar
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Post by jeroen on Jun 7, 2010 1:17:20 GMT -5
Thanks Dietmar, good to see you back here! Nice intro page, although in one of the threads we have come to the conclusion that the man standing next to Geronimo, and is identified as Johlsanny, is actually Tsisnah. Kayitah, I think you are right about the Besh identification. The girl is undoubtedly Leosanni and the woman far left, covering her face, likely is the lady who was reported to stay in the tent all the time (during the Fort Houston stay) because of her "cut nose". Several were not mentioned by name... perhaps Lozen is among these women... This photo shows Chiricahuas on the way to the train station in Holbrook:
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Post by kayitah on Jun 7, 2010 2:24:35 GMT -5
Jeroen, I think you're right, that seems to be Leosanni. And the woman far left, who is hiding her face, is undoubtedly the one with the cut nose.
I am sure that I have also seen the woman right next to her, but I can neither remember where nor who she is...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 7, 2010 8:18:10 GMT -5
Yes me too... the lady sitting right behind Besh, based on age estimate, may be U go hun, mother of Haozinne...
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Post by jeroen on Jun 7, 2010 8:21:27 GMT -5
This could be Tissnolthos, but I am open to other suggestions:
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Post by Dietmar on Jun 7, 2010 9:40:59 GMT -5
Oops, we´ll change the name on the intro page to Tsisnah. Thanks. Dietmar
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Post by perico on Jun 7, 2010 11:02:32 GMT -5
This could be Tissnolthos, but I am open to other suggestions: This person is identified as Kulle. Who Im guessing is Colle.
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Post by jeroen on Jun 7, 2010 12:04:45 GMT -5
Makes sense...
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Post by kayitah on Jun 7, 2010 13:20:43 GMT -5
This could be Tissnolthos, but I am open to other suggestions: This person is identified as Kulle. Who Im guessing is Colle. You're right, this is Kutli, Cutle, Cullah, or Colle. They're all one and the same person, the name is just spelled in various ways by different historians and photographers.
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 8, 2010 6:45:29 GMT -5
This person is identified as Kulle. Who Im guessing is Colle. You're right, this is Kutli, Cutle, Cullah, or Colle. They're all one and the same person, the name is just spelled in various ways by different historians and photographers. This man identified as 'Harold Dick, later medicine man' by J.Betzines (I fought with Geronimo, p.136)
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Post by perico on Jun 8, 2010 9:08:47 GMT -5
That is incorrect, I am 100% positive this is "Old Man Dick" Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Jun 8, 2010 9:25:15 GMT -5
That is incorrect, I am 100% positive this is "Old Man Dick" Maybe Betzines was wrong but this man he called Hustinney and man, identified by kayitah as Giles Lancey he named 'Naiche'
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Post by jeroen on Jun 8, 2010 10:33:09 GMT -5
Do you guys have additional names for people in this photo? Also, does anybody have additional info about Old Man Dick, like his background, Apache name etc...?
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Post by perico on Jun 8, 2010 10:57:19 GMT -5
Front row left is definately Biyaneta. 3rd from left is Dorothy Naiche, forth from left not sure if that is Haozinne or Eclahheh. Tall man in center is still being debated. Man with medicine hat on is Hustinney, boy on far right is identified wrong, that is Garditha. Man in very back row on left on horse is Hunlona. Man holding baby is Zhonne. The others I am unsure of.
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