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Post by naiches2 on Feb 26, 2011 13:57:21 GMT -5
Thank you for the names Naiches2, reason for asking is that I have been interested in Apache genealogy for years and have done quite a bit of research into this (not an expert by any means), it is nice to be able to attach photos to the person. I like attaching photos to the persons too.
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Post by sasja on Feb 26, 2011 16:27:46 GMT -5
What I meant to say was that attaching photo's to genealogical data brings these people alive, they once lived loved cried etc. However this website seems to like identifying the men of the Apache tribe, however my interest lies more with the women and children of the tribe, I have read some where that lineage goes through the women of the Apaches rather then the men? So just expect lots of questions about women and children, which I hope you will be able to aswer. Having said all that people on here seem to be very knowledgeable about this subject and I am so glad to have found this website. Looking forward to learning so much more ...
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 27, 2011 2:32:47 GMT -5
What I meant to say was that attaching photo's to genealogical data brings these people alive, they once lived loved cried etc. However this website seems to like identifying the men of the Apache tribe, however my interest lies more with the women and children of the tribe, I have read some where that lineage goes through the women of the Apaches rather then the men? So just expect lots of questions about women and children, which I hope you will be able to aswer. Having said all that people on here seem to be very knowledgeable about this subject and I am so glad to have found this website. Looking forward to learning so much more ... You really need read best book about Chiricahua women: Ruth McDonald Boyer , Narcissus Duffy Gayton, Apache Mothers and Daughters: Four Generations of a Family. Good work with women's view of Apache history
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 28, 2011 8:07:04 GMT -5
Charlie Istee (Victorio's son), Thomas Pelcoy (Ulzana's son), and Humphrey Escharzay Tomb of Thomas Pelcoy
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Post by sasja on Mar 1, 2011 5:35:14 GMT -5
What I meant to say was that attaching photo's to genealogical data brings these people alive, they once lived loved cried etc. However this website seems to like identifying the men of the Apache tribe, however my interest lies more with the women and children of the tribe, I have read some where that lineage goes through the women of the Apaches rather then the men? So just expect lots of questions about women and children, which I hope you will be able to aswer. Having said all that people on here seem to be very knowledgeable about this subject and I am so glad to have found this website. Looking forward to learning so much more ... You really need read best book about Chiricahua women: Ruth McDonald Boyer , Narcissus Duffy Gayton, Apache Mothers and Daughters: Four Generations of a Family. Good work with women's view of Apache history Have read it, it's great and gave me lots of information on the female side of apache live , shame there are not more books like it. Have also read most of Henrieta Stockel's books, such as Shame and Endurance, Chiricacua women and children, Geronimo's kids ( co written with Ove) and Eve Ball's Indeh amongst others.. all great reads.
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Post by coeurrouge on Mar 1, 2011 15:29:53 GMT -5
i think he is Pelcoy, son of Ulzana on april 1886 Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Mar 1, 2011 15:30:51 GMT -5
He is here again, boy with gun on right, I think. Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Mar 1, 2011 17:05:37 GMT -5
I agree the boy is likely Pelcoy, but I am not sure he is the kid with the gun in the group photo...
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Post by kayitah on Mar 1, 2011 17:09:59 GMT -5
He is here again, boy with gun on right, I think. could be. boy at center is alchintoyeh.
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 1, 2011 18:17:41 GMT -5
Yes, boy at Canon Los Embudos' photo and Carlisle's photo same. Boy at photo from Ft.Marion
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Post by coeurrouge on Mar 5, 2011 5:45:01 GMT -5
Looking Ramona at 20 years old and Neschila teenage girl at Fort Bowie, 10 years before (same age of Ramona). Look down right eye, same default. same large lips. Too their eyes and their nostril are not symmetrical. And they are wearing same type of earrings. I more and more convince that Neschila was a wife of Chihuahua, died at Mount Vernon (Alabama), and was mother of Ramona Chihuahua. Attachments:
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Post by coeurrouge on Mar 5, 2011 5:46:12 GMT -5
Certainly first or second wife of Chihuahua, mother of Eugene and sister of Ilth-Gazy. Attachments:
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Post by Second on Mar 13, 2011 13:41:43 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I just recvd an ISBN for my book and I have entered the last phase of publishing. My book is titled Second Jumper, searching for his bloodline. Written by Sigfried R. Second-Jumper. It has taken me 5 yrs to write it. It starts out with the surrendering of the Chiricahuas and their journey to Florida as prisoners of war. While in Florida, my great grandparents were separated from the bulk of the Tribe and shipped to Cuba. An event witnessed by other prisoners, and recorded in their oral history and songs. Also recorded and photographed by my family are my great grandparent’s arrival in Cuba, their struggles, sacrifices and accomplishments. Some of my great grandparent’s descendents began migrating to Florida, settling on the outskirts of the Florida Everglades. It was there that I discovered a Miccosukee Indian camp tucked deep in the swamps. Little did I know I was meeting the remnants of the only Unconquered Nation, The Florida Seminoles. In time I learned to master the art of breaking in horses, wrestling alligators, followed by 15 yrs of dancing and singing among them. These events were captured and will be shown with never before seen photographs. Through their encouragement, I along with my family set out on a trip across country, in search of our long lost Apache relatives. A long journey that started in St. Augustine, FL, Oklahoma, Arizona, ended at the Mescalero Apache Reservation in NM. Upon arrival at Mescalero, I was welcomed and accepted by ex-prisoners of war, the Chiricahuas and ultimately my long lost relatives. Unaware of my past tribal history, I was inaugurated into the medicine circle as a singer for the Chiricahua Crown Dancers. It was there, that I have and continue to learn the traditional ways of the Chiricahuas. After many years of loosing members and traditions, we all decided to record and preserve our ways along with our daily activities for future generations. For the first time ever, the reader will enter into the sacred tepee of the Crown dancers and learned what takes place prior to ceremonies. All of it has been done with the consent of all members. When the Seminoles learned that I was recording these stories, they asked me to include theirs as well. Some of these tales and photographs have been kept by members of both groups for decades as family treasures. I am honored to have been trusted to write them as they were told to me. All stories were reviewed by all participants prior to publishing to assure that they are told as they would want their great grandchildren to hear them. Unlike many or most books written about these two groups, this one is done from within. As a result, the participants felt comfortable revealing stories long suppress by fear and mistrust. There is only half a page of references and over 300 pages of the real stories of the Tigers of the Human race, the Chiricahua Apaches and the Only Unconquered Nation, the Florida Seminoles. I have dedicated my book to future Chiricahua and Seminole descendents but it really pertains to all humans as preserving their ancestral ways is just as important. I will keep you all posted as soon as my book is available.
Sincerely, Siggy Jumper
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Post by naiches2 on Mar 13, 2011 14:07:02 GMT -5
Congratulation Second!!! I´m looking forward to the print!
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Post by kayitah on Mar 13, 2011 14:42:09 GMT -5
Congratulation Second!!! I´m looking forward to the print! me too, can't wait for it! Congrats, Second!
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