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Post by jeroen on Aug 18, 2009 2:50:59 GMT -5
Another Naiche photo taken in 1916, standing in center, Chatto far right...
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Post by naiches on Aug 25, 2009 11:31:50 GMT -5
S verom u boga, za kralja i otadzbinuI'm think the man sitting under a Chatto is scout Coonie. Look at another photo And man standing between Naiche and Chatto look as Kaytennay
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 11, 2009 4:12:08 GMT -5
Naiches was dandy! Very glamour nails
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Post by naiches2 on Nov 11, 2009 4:13:16 GMT -5
Original photo by A. Frank Randall about 1884 Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Jan 25, 2010 15:36:22 GMT -5
Ha-o-zinne. Wife of Naiche. Omaha's World Fair of 1898
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Post by jeroen on Jan 26, 2010 5:30:27 GMT -5
I know Yanozha was somehow related to Naiche, anybody knows in what way?
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Post by naiches2 on Jan 30, 2010 14:36:40 GMT -5
I have a little info from Lt. Charles Gatewood & His Apache Wars Memoir by Louis Kraft, page 247. And pictures for Yahnozha Yahnozha was the Corporal in Company I, 12th Infanty US Army at Mount Vernon (Alabama)
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Post by jeroen on Feb 8, 2010 5:44:34 GMT -5
General Stanley's report is quoted in Angie Debo's book on Geronimo and Yanosha is estimated to be about 32 years in october 1886, that would make his year of birth 1854, or about the same age as Naiche. Also, Debo adds in brackets that he was closely related to Naiche... My guess is that they were cousins and in Apache culture that would mean they were as close as brothers. Anyway, he survived well into the 1950's... are there any photographs of Yanosha in old age?
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 13, 2010 8:08:45 GMT -5
Little more pics from great photosession by Reed & Wallace (Mobile,Ala.) Kaytennae with family
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 14, 2010 11:52:40 GMT -5
Another photograph of Kaytennae and his family, 1885 Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Feb 19, 2010 10:27:27 GMT -5
The Kaytennae family in the Reed and Wallace photo seems not to be the same as in the Randall image (showing Gouyen and Kaywaykla). Any thoughts on the identity of the lady and her children? Meanwhile another familiar Kaytennae ( Cardridges all gone) pic: And a picture of the Winchester that Naiche surrendered at Fort Bowie:
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Post by jinlian on Feb 19, 2010 10:42:25 GMT -5
The Kaytennae family in the Reed and Wallace photo seems not to be the same as in the Randall image (showing Gouyen and Kaywaykla). Any thoughts on the identity of the lady and her children? Jeroen, the second photograph is not a Randall, but a Ben Wittick one and it was taken in the period between 1883 and 1886 - a few years before Reed and Wallace took the Mount Vernon prisoners'photographs. I think the woman in both photograph is the same one i.e. Gouyen. Here's a comparison:
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Post by jeroen on Feb 19, 2010 10:52:37 GMT -5
Jinlian, you may be right, there are indeed a few years between the photo shoots, and the mouth does look similar, but to me she looks older in the earlier photo, which, by the way was taken in 1884 (before Kaytennae was arrested and shipped of to Alcatraz). There is some confusion as who actually took the photographs of the Chiricahua leaders, but it seems Randall took most of the pictures and they were later, in part, copyrighted by Wittick, although Wittick also took a number of portraits.
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Post by jinlian on Feb 19, 2010 12:12:16 GMT -5
As far as I remember (I may be wrong, of course) Gouyen was already married to Kaytennae by 1884 -does anybody know if Kaytennae afterwards married a sister or a relative of Gouyen too? There's a resemblance and, if they're not the same woman, there must be a blood relationship between them.
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Post by jeroen on Feb 24, 2010 5:38:39 GMT -5
Checked the records, but could not find a second marriage for Kaytennae... but could not find other children (besides Kaywaykla) for Gouyen either... the lady in the Reed and Wallace picture could be Gouyen, but perhaps she is a sister of either Gouyen or Kaytennae...
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