General Stanley's report is quoted in Angie Debo's book on Geronimo and Yanosha is estimated to be about 32 years in october 1886, that would make his year of birth 1854, or about the same age as Naiche. Also, Debo adds in brackets that he was closely related to Naiche... My guess is that they were cousins and in Apache culture that would mean they were as close as brothers. Anyway, he survived well into the 1950's... are there any photographs of Yanosha in old age?
I recall we had some discussion regarding the individual members of the Naiche/Geronimo band in the Fly photos, including a warrior called Tsisnah. For comparison this picture taken of Tsisnah at Carlisle:
Thanks for Thanks charlie ! Sorry, I don't know in what group of prisoners Tsisnah was sent to Florida (may be with San Carlos group(?) because His name is not on the list of Geronimo-Naiche's band by Stanley (A.Debo, Geronimo, pp.304-306), and He does not look like anyone of the men photographed by train in Texas. And in all likelihood it is not among the warriors of Chihuahua. It's very strange...
* FUN: born in 1866 - "Bedonkohe" band - Chiricahua subdivision. Indian name: YAHE CHUL (Smoke that exits) Father: NAS-TIH-DEH - Mother: BONITA (Geronimo's cousin) Brothers: TSISNAH - PERICO - EYELASH Died suicide in 1892. He was the best warrior of Geronimo's band.
* TSISNAH: born in 1864 - "Bebonkohe" band - Chiricahua subdivision Wife: Lozah He was at Carlisle school for 3 years. Died in 1900. Great warrior.
* YANOZHA: born in 1860 - "Tsoka-ne-nde" (or "Chockonen") band - Chiricahua subdivision He was cousin of Naiche (Cochise's son) and brother in law of Geronimo, that married his sister Shegha. Wife: Tsikahda (sister of chief Loco) - Died in 1954 - Great warrior.
* KAYTAH: born in 1856 - "Nedhni" band - Chiricahua subdivision Cousin of Yanozha. In 1866 he became an Army scout. Died in 15 February 1934 at Fort Sill. He was the best warrior of Juh's band.
This is the only image of Kaytah that I know. Are there other images of him?
Can anyone to add other info about these important warriors? Can anyone to add bio-info about: NAHBAY - PERICO - MARTINE - ZHONNE ? Thanks to all.
Last Edit: Apr 14, 2010 15:59:50 GMT -5 by Dietmar
I have to check my files, got info on all the warriors, but have to look it up. Meanwhile, a picture of Perico and his family at Fort Sill. Far left is Naiche?
Perico, also known as White Horse, born ca. 1852, half brother to Fun and Tsisnah. It is said he also was a half brother to Laziyah, which would also relate him to Beshe. He was a first cousin of Daklugie and second cousin of Geronimo (not a half brother). He was related also to E clah heh, a wife of Naiche.
I'm sorry but I can't really see the similarity between the two versions of Tsisnay that Dietmar posted for you.
In my opinion the man I have always taken to be Ulzana in the various photographs we have seen of him, does not have those rather pronouced cheek pouchs and the slightly swollen look to the flesh above the upper lip that the man in the suit displays. Do we know how many other Photographs these two men appaer in?
While I may be wrong---I know how different some people can look in different photographs---for the moment we will have to disagree on this one.
Graham, once again we are i agreement, the man in the photo you posted does indeed have a look of KIcking Bear.