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Post by coeurrouge on Feb 20, 2011 5:28:37 GMT -5
I think this man is Yanozha. It is certainly a photo taken by Randall on 1884 or 1885 before the outbreak of may 1885. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 20, 2011 5:56:14 GMT -5
I think this man is Yanozha. It is certainly a photo taken by Randall on 1884 or 1885 before the outbreak of may 1885. I don't agree.
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Post by xframe on Feb 20, 2011 6:23:50 GMT -5
I think this man is Yanozha. It is certainly a photo taken by Randall on 1884 or 1885 before the outbreak of may 1885. I do agree completely. I think the lips are most likely the same compared to other pics of Yahnosha. All other face features matching very good as well!
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 6:51:47 GMT -5
here's the complete image. now that's a tough one... can't say I agree, neither can I say that I completely disagree... I see the resemblance around mouth and nose, but it seems that Yanozha has different features around the chin... Attachments:
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Post by xframe on Feb 20, 2011 6:55:48 GMT -5
Mhm - Just look at the two perpendicular lil lines (sorry, don't know the english word for) above the upper lip. It's 99,9% the same like on several other pics of Yahnosha recognizable.
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 7:01:56 GMT -5
here are a couple photos of Yanozha for comparison Attachments:
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Post by xframe on Feb 20, 2011 7:29:25 GMT -5
It's Yahnoza. He is wearing the same jewellery on the right hand like in the picture left and the new one coeurrouge did post above. Also forehead fold match, and lips. For me there is no doubt!
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 11:40:47 GMT -5
Good point, xframe. What do others think?
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 11:58:54 GMT -5
Not a Chiricahua, but a young Cibecue Apache that played an important role during the Geronimo Capaign - Peaches, also known as Tzoe/Tsoay and Penaltishn ("Coyote saw him"). Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 13:19:00 GMT -5
Gonaltsis, also known as Patricio, Chato's brother Attachments:
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Post by jeroen on Feb 20, 2011 15:03:31 GMT -5
I am with Naiches on this one, don't think it is Yanozha...
Kayitah, nice images. Never seen the Gonaltsis portrait before
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 20, 2011 15:21:15 GMT -5
Hi Kayitah, I'm sorry but: 1. №2 on Photo is another man. 2. This picture is taken explicitly before 1913, before this time all Chiricahuas were in Oklahoma. Attachments:
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 15:49:37 GMT -5
Hi Kayitah, I'm sorry but: 1. №2 on Photo is another man. 2. This picture is taken explicitly before 1913, before this time all Chiricahuas were in Oklahoma. Thanks, Naiches. Seems you're right. I'm sorry. I've had that misleading thought for some time now. Must have happened because he resembles Chato. Now that you mention it, I see it. Patricio travelled with his brother and the rest of the delegation to Washington directly to Florida.
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Post by kayitah on Feb 20, 2011 15:50:35 GMT -5
I couldn't find the post anymore, but someone already made a list of known individuals of Naiché's and Geronimo's group. Here's an updated list without the women. Maybe we can add more men to the list and afterwards maybe make the same with the women. Attachments:
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Post by naiches2 on Feb 20, 2011 15:54:40 GMT -5
Great work, kayitah! Yes, coeurrouge was posted similar pic: The Last Band Reply #54 with slightly different identification.
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