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Post by michael on Dec 4, 2010 4:06:25 GMT -5
OSIYO, I AM ENGLISH AND RESEARCHING THE TSALAGI NATION, COULD ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PART OF AMERICA THE NATION USED TO LIVE BEFORE THE GOVERMENT MOVED THEM WEST, I KNOW THEY WERE NOT A PLAINS TRIBE BUT CAN NOT FIND OUT WHERE IN THE EAST THEY ORIGINATED FROM ANY HELP WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL. WADO.
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Post by Dietmar on Dec 12, 2010 5:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by goldsage on Apr 27, 2012 11:46:36 GMT -5
In speaking with an elder of the tribe, the origins of the tribe were thought to be South America. But by the 15th century they were probably mixing with Portuguese fishermen.
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Post by pellethie on Oct 13, 2012 14:19:43 GMT -5
Well they are an Iroquoian people kin to the Haudenosaunee, Wendat, Minqua and Tuscarora.
I've heard these Iroquoians drifted up from the southwest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 11:42:25 GMT -5
OSIYO, I AM ENGLISH AND RESEARCHING THE TSALAGI NATION, COULD ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PART OF AMERICA THE NATION USED TO LIVE BEFORE THE GOVERMENT MOVED THEM WEST, I KNOW THEY WERE NOT A PLAINS TRIBE BUT CAN NOT FIND OUT WHERE IN THE EAST THEY ORIGINATED FROM ANY HELP WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL. WADO. the Cherokee were the most war like tribe in the Southeastern U.S. By the time White settlers came to the region, they were well established in the southern Appalachians, especially along the Tennessee/North Carolina border and their towns reached as far as North Georgia. They spoke Iroquois which was not like other tribes from the Southeast, such as the Creek peoples. Many scholars think they truly originated somewhere close to Maryland or West Virginia then moved south by the 15th century or so. But some have said they moved to the South earlier, so it's not completely clear. But, in the 1830's (? I think) the Cherokee who still lived in their traditional villages were removed by the government and forced west along the trail of tears to what was then, territory set up for Native tribes in Oklahoma. One group though, especially resisted and fled deeper into the mountains, where they still live today as the Eastern Band of Cherokee in North Carolina along the Qualla Boundary . But they lived in the Southeastern U.S. before being moved west. They didnt come up from South America or the Southwest and I have no freak'in idea at all why some posters have made such dubious claims. Coming from Tennessee, I know all too well about the trail of tears and the history of government removal of not only the Cherokee but also of the Creek and Seminoles as well, to Oklahoma on the trail of tears.
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Post by dhcrum50 on May 14, 2018 13:59:16 GMT -5
The Cherokee tribes were of much earlier than previously proposed.
"Cherokee's visit London in 1762. Original caption: "The Three Cherokees came over from the head of the River Savanna to London, 1762. 1: Their Interpreter that was Poisoned. 2: Outacite or Man-killer; who Sets up the War Whoop, as, (Woach Woach ha ha hoch Waoch) with his Wampum. 3: Austenaco or King, a great Warrior who has his Calumet or Pipe, by taking a Whiff of which, is their most sacred emblem of peace. 4: Uschesees y Great Hunter, or Scalpper, as the Character of a Warrior depends on the Number of Scalps, he has them without Number. " Cherokee had visited before in 1730. Learn more about that here. About 200 years ago the Cherokee Indians were one tribe, or "Indian Nation" that lived in the southeast part of what is now the United States. During the 1830's and 1840's, the period covered by the Indian Removal Act, many Cherokees were moved west to a territory that is now the State of Oklahoma. A number remained in the southeast and gathered in North Carolina where they purchased land and continued to live. Others went into the Appalachian Mountains to escape being moved west and many of their descendants may still live there now.
The Cherokees were once a mighty and powerful nation. At the time when the Cherokees came first in contact with the white man (DeSoto in 1540, they claimed some 135,000 square miles of territory covering parts of eight present-day states: North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia and West Virginia). By the end of the American Revolutionary War, the Cherokees had lost about half of their land in the east. Between 1785 and 1835 the Cherokee lands had shrunk to a few million acres.
By the "Treaty of New Echota" in 1835, all lands east of the Mississippi River were ceded to the Federal Government. (Of the 40 treaties executed with the Cherokees, the Federal Government chose to break each and every one.) As far back as 1782, a group of Eastern Cherokee who fought with the British in the Revolution petitioned the Spanish for permission to settle west of the Mississippi, which was granted. A group of Eastern Cherokee moved in 1794 into the St. Francis River valley in present-day southeastern Missouri. It is probable that there were already Cherokee settled in the Missouri area. Records of how many people, and when, moved "West" are limited. Due to earthquakes and flooding in Missouri, around 1812, most of the Cherokee in Missouri moved into present-day northwestern Arkansas." From:http://www.cherokeeregistry.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=217&Itemid=293 don c.
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Post by dedelen171 on Feb 5, 2019 11:12:09 GMT -5
OSIYO, I AM ENGLISH AND RESEARCHING THE TSALAGI NATION, COULD ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PART OF AMERICA THE NATION USED TO LIVE BEFORE THE GOVERMENT MOVED THEM WEST, I KNOW THEY WERE NOT A PLAINS TRIBE BUT CAN NOT FIND OUT WHERE IN THE EAST THEY ORIGINATED FROM ANY HELP WOULD BE MOST GRATEFUL. WADO. the Cherokee were the most war like tribe in the Southeastern U.S. By the time White settlers came to the region, they were well established in the southern Appalachians, especially along the Tennessee/North Carolina border and their towns reached as far as North Georgia. They spoke Iroquois which was not like other tribes from the Southeast, such as the Creek peoples. Many scholars think they truly originated somewhere close to Maryland or West Virginia then moved south by the 15th century or so. But some have said they moved to the South earlier, so it's not completely clear. But, in the 1830's (? I think) the Cherokee who still lived in their traditional villages were removed by the government and forced west along the trail of tears to what was then, territory set up for Native tribes in Oklahoma. One group though, especially resisted and fled deeper into the mountains, where they still live today as the Eastern Band of Cherokee in North Carolina along the Qualla Boundary . But they lived in the Southeastern U.S. before being moved west. They didnt come up from South America or the Southwest and I have no freak'in idea at all why some posters have made such dubious claims. Coming from Tennessee, I know all too well about the trail of tears and the history of government removal of not only the Cherokee but also of the Creek and Seminoles as well, to Oklahoma on the trail of tears. Curiousanglo, I live in central Alabama and we had an excellent history teacher in my school days who really went into the history of the 5 SE or Civilized tribes. The government made not only the Cherokees go to OK but also the Creeks, Chocktaws, and Chickasaws. A sad state of affairs that. Pres. jackson who ordered it, turne on his Indian Allies who had helped him defeat the Creeks. I felt that was sorry as hell.
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